Hcoin drop distribution is not optimal, IMO.

People are camping static mini-bosses 24/7 due to 100% hcoin drop. Camping is done either by bulks of factioners (on their non faction toons), or by 3boxing tamers or a mixture. It's done semi-attended. My guess is, that right now 95% of the openworldly generated hcoins go to very rich factioner/organized players with gank squads at hand, while it's very hard for "normal" players to join this openworld madness.

The lower mobs do not drop any hcoins. There is no incentive to hunt them (except the rare zombie surfer drops).

This right now leads to the situation, that nobody is caring for 95% of the monsters, and only focussing on the static spawns of the mini-bosses. This again is done semi-attended (especially when 3 boxing).

I propose:

- To change the static spawn locations to an AREA of spawn forcing people to actually move and dont camp highly secure houses with their tamers. Right now, the spawn range is like 1 tile +- 3 tiles perhaps.

- Decrease hcoin drop of mini-bosses to 1/4 again, but introduce hcoin drop for lower mobs (1/40 etc). This allows normal players to join the event and farm lesser mobs. Because, honestly, why have them at all on the world, when they are ignored anyway due to low gold and zero hcoin chances?

I agree with certain aspects, it is pretty easy to defend the spawning areas in certain locations (Vesper with 2 Miniboss spawns in the big hut with only 1 entrance for example, but also many other spots)

I also like the idea of moving around, i think Skara should not be re-worked for halloween without any reason.


My suggestions:

-increase spawns at Skara
-decrease spawns at Graveyards
-droprates on Minibosses are fine Blackeye, given the amounts of coins you need for certain rewards.
-add HCoin dropchances for lower mobs (1/40 ish should be fine)

I don't know that anything will change this year, since we're on the last leg of Halloween at this point, but it would be nice to see the mini boss spawns in graveyards vary in location, and not always in the same spots. They are very easily campable currently and respawn pretty quickly.

I'd go for seeing all graveyards getting a lil kick.
Nujelm cemetery is empty, Jhelom I think just had normal spawn, didn't get round to checking out any others.

As for the drop rate, no idea....never got a chance to farm much overworld spawn during the event but I'd go for a raise on the hcoin cos I'm nowhere near getting an undead dragon statue.

The dave, you mentioned like the only two empty GYs right now. How about trying it out first, before asking for higher droprates. The drop rates are crazy right now. CRAZYYYYYY. But the spots where these are dropping are static and highly camped by people with whole factions/pvp groups behind them. Plus, like Erza said, these spots are ultra easy to defend.

@ReZon, this event is only at 50% as far as I know. It still goes for 9 days. And if this 100% drop rate craze at static spots goes on that way, there will be thousands of thousands Hcoins in the hand of VERY few (a dozen?) people with really not much effort considering how few real opposition they are facing.

I agree.

Going forward, I would like to see things designed/changed so that you're rewarded for venturing about. To that end, i'd like lots of overland spawns reworked so that you can't just recall to coordinates and see if something has respawned.

The current status quo allows you to hit play on a macro and relax. Profitable for the player......but not exactly what a shard needs...

If you wouldn't put this on the shard's webpage...

"No need to actually venture forth, just hit play in Razor, watch your favorite TV show, and collect millions while you barely pay attention!!!"

Then systems should be designed/changed to curb that behavior.

I know that sounds a bit harsh, but I've made a lot of money on other servers through automation. I know first hand how easy it is...and how it sucks the life out of a server and turns off the average player. There's really no upside to it in the long run....even for the player making millions...as those millions just become worthless in multiple ways.

I say leave it as it is. Hcoins currently are selling for way more then they ever have in the past so I am not sure I YET buy any arguments to nerf the drop rates. (I get that you said distribution, but overall it seems like your gripe is with the rate of extraction)

Thanks for the thread. I can't really comment as I've only tried overland spawn once. Due to my real being insane now, I can't be in game as much as would like.

Nice ideas. thanks for posting this.

You don't need to change my words, ElHorno. It's only about distribution and you are probably biased, being one of the big haulers.

But since you mentioned it, the price is dropping significantly right now. Sure, the amount generated is much higher with static camped spawn spots compared to when people have to actually move, search for bosses and have to kill the lesser monsters too.

Glad the graveyards are now protected from luring but drop rate too high. I was able to farm one spot and pk at same time with ease.

@BlackEye - ah, I did not realize there was that much time left. Yeah, you have a good point. A few switch ups to the spawning locations and frequency would help.

Well, to be fair, its a nice overworld event and the Bosses are quite well designed/challenging (the queen of the damned is my favourite this year)
Ive had a ton of fun on overworld spawns so far, and its even nicer if you farm with a group of friends.

This is from a pvm perspective.


But given that its relatively safe to farm on certain spots, and people just rotating between them, it is a pretty high reward for a relatively low risk.
Ill have to agree that the situation got a lot better since the gates are closed though (ive seen people farming in Guardzones...)

Overall, i like it a lot, but i also understand Blackeyes frustration.

Two cents: I think things are pretty fun as they are but I think BlackEye's suggestion would be a significant improvement.

I assure you, when I triple box those spawns I am most certainly fully attended as I'm sure you know well because I am CONSTANTLY tracking on my third character and breaking down thieves at the door. The drop rate should be high on these mobs considering the amount of coins needed for the rewards on the vendor. Let's be honest here, this post isn't about coin distribution, it's about you constantly getting killed by trackers while trying to steal holiday coins from said players.

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The issue you present is a shame.

Ultimately, the solution is social reform.


This is the result of drilling down play style to being always optimal and an attitude of me VS everyone else.

Poll people that play this game individually for example.

First ask them to describe Ultima Online to someone who's never heard of it before.
Then ask them how they spent the last day they played.

Bah! What am I doing here? I'm supposed to be taking a forum break anyhoo...

G'luck.

I am absolutely honest: make the spawn more random so that you actually have to move your lazy camper ass slightly, @Kane. Your worst enemy right now, is falling asleep in RL. The fact that you are being proud about copying Vellas setup and macros, ie. 3boxing tamers with some minor tracking ultra-spamming all kill, is something that shows what you really are: another sad trammel boy.

Shots fired!

'never got a chance to farm much' - farmed for brief periods of time randomly when I had a chance.
Only hcoin I've clawed this event is from the main event.

I'd be a yes vote for more hcoin to nerf the inflation.

You mean tracking and killing thieves while piloting two tamers including healing pets? Come on man, it's way harder than stealthing up and targeting a container or else you'd be doing it. Face it man, if you were able to get away stealing from people you would be praising the event to no end. The only reason you're mad is because you were thwarted.
And I don't think my track/stun mage counts and 'some minor tracking'