Blessed Rune

Discussion in 'Renaissance Discussion' started by Wodan, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. Red_Rover

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    Being able to recall/gate in itself is "trammie". Do away with recall/gating and remove the moongates.

    Only the ones that REALLY would like to see the "trammie" aspect of the game be abolished would agree with what I said though, and I think that number is very low.
  2. Mandevu

    Mandevu Well-Known Member

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    I grew up learning to play under a siege ruleset. While recall was allowed, the moment you went into a dungeon recall/gating was disabled. So, if you went deep into a dungeon for some farming the only way out was to run all the way out. And on a server big on pvp/pking you had to learn to survive. Npc vendors didn't sell shit for supplies, if you wanted tools or items you had to craft them yourself or gather in the world. So, when I come here and read crap like this it really does disgust me. I don't think a majority of this server would survive under seige rules. You're just lucky the caliber of pvpers we had to defend ourselves from were ruthless and used everything possible at their disposal to kill you, and they were good at it. As it is here, from what I've seen as far as the pvp/pk scene, you guys have it easy.
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  3. Wodan

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    Maybe you should have read the veteran reward system before you joined this shard. What I am proposing is a scaled down version of something that is already available in the game. This shard already went FAR beyond blessed runes and you keep on acting like it's a whole new idea.

    Why don't you play on one of those hardcore siege shards ?
    Why does this shard currently have a pretty stable population even though we do not get killed often enough ?
  4. Wulver

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    Okay put in blessed runes for 50 plat, I wanna see all the morons buy one. *rez* "this rune is as USELESS AS A ROCK! At least I spent 50 plat for what could have been an easy 60g replacement, because that makes a shit load of sense!"

    If you don't get it now, I guess you never will.
  5. Blaise

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    Much of what is in the Vet system is intented to be a HIGH LEVEL reward system, akin to Veteran rewards. A blessed rune is as useless as Wulver puts it. It's basically a rock that you can't do a damn thing with. If it were your CY rune, you would still need to find the regs or scroll to use the damn thing and by that time, you'd have been at a bank where you should keep a CY rune anyway. The end.
  6. Zyler

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    I didn't read through all the posts however if you don't have a blessed runebook, keep house rune in bank - courtyard or not.
    My vote is no.
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  8. Atraxi

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    I don't have a dog in this fight, as only one of my chars carries a runebook, and he rarely leaves towns, other than to go to my house.

    If I was to spend the umpteen million gold to bless a runebook, I wouldn't waste it on just any runebook. I think the runebook bless deeds are only useful if you have a hued runebook. That's something that you don't want to lose. It's also something that you don't want to leave in your bank. What's the point of a badass hued runebook, if you're the only one who ever sees it?

    I have a runebook in my Rares secure in my house that is visually identical to a spellbook. IDK how rare this item is, but if I were to pay for a runebook bless deed, this is what I'd use it on, not some regular old brown runebook that you can buy for 400-450gp from any player scribe.

    That's my 1/5 of a dime.
  9. Blaise

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    All of the Runebooks on UOR

    Looks like 48 of those on the shard Atraxi. I have one that Apoc gave me (thanks again Apoc).
    It was a crafting bug early in Ren history. :)
  10. Jupiter

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    I vote for a Hearthstone which, when used, takes you onto one tile island. There you can sit and contemplate how things went wrong for you. You can ponder and reflect on things like:

    "Why was I carrying my house rune and key on me?"

    "Could I have been more valiant and died a proud death as a man/woman who didn't scream and cry before the final 'Corp Por'?"

    "How can I do things differently next time?"

    "Perhaps I should have recalled to the bank after the first 1-2k instead of waiting till I had 6k on me which weighed me down so that I couldn't recall away."

    "What if I made friends to go hunting with? I mean if the PK's travel in droves and packs, wouldn't I stand a better chance with more people?"

    "Why am I soooo old?? When the hell did I turn thirty?"

    /end
  11. Chris

    Chris Renaissance Staff
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    Just to clear this up. We will not have blessed runes on UOR. Per our mission statement we take every decision made by OSI during the Renaissance era and evaluate it to determine if it would have been made without trammel. Blessed runebooks were clearly a change made inline with trammel. It would have made more sense as a reward item, but as a craftable item, that existed for a time before the change this was clearly made due to the addition of the trammel facets no risk sensibilities.

    Scribes already had a minimal amount of craft-able items, and by blessing every runebook you remove a great deal of the viability of a scribe as a trade craft.

    So we have no plans to change the existing mechanic of using platinum to bless a runebook, as this rewards our players for putting the time into collecting platinum, and maintains the proper value of an item such as a blessed runebook so that our players are not walking rune libraries.

    In a future patch however, players will be able add a scribe to factions, this allowing the creation of faction blessed runebooks. These runebooks will be created with a temporary blessing and can be used while maintaining proper faction membership (details still being worked out on this)
  12. corruption

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    Because this gets to me everytime someone comes on IRC and starts demanding 'era accurate' blessed runebooks across the board, I'm going to post this all here... can't find a better place to put this summation.

    The TL;DR version: Runebooks were *NOT* blessed when they were introduced. They became blessed due to a bug, and after much discussion with the community, OSI decided to bless ALL runebooks going forward (and retroactively).

    The long version:

    Runebooks, as we know, were introduced as part of the Clean Up Britannia program, to help reduce item count. Theres an all-too-common misconception that they were always blessed; this is simply not the case. See here the original publish notes relating to the release of runebooks:

    http://www.uoguide.com/Publish_1 (relevant details under the Rune Books heading)

    ....as well as Stratics page about the function of runebooks from October 2000, further confirming that this was still the expected function of runebooks:

    http://web.archive.org/web/200110061712 ... book.shtml

    The relevant bit of information from both of these, is nowhere is their status as blessed mentioned. Further, there is this informative tidbit on the Stratics page:

    This was not changed until sometime after September 15th, as documented here on Noctalis.com:

    http://noctalis.com/dis/uo/eden2k09.shtml (search the page for 'runebooks')

    This bit from Noctalis.com indicates a conversation with one of the community leaders from OSI at the time, Calandryll, which links back to a (now defunct and unavailable through archive.org) forum thread on the old UO.com forums. There are additionally a couple links that give a bit more window into when revelations about the bug were discovered.

    The long and the short of it is, runebooks were introduced in late November 99, and were stealable -- therefore not blessed nor newbied. A bug began to surface sometime between February 2000 and September 2000, which caused some runebooks to be crafted in a newbied state -- not blessed -- but not all runebooks were crafted this way, and older runebooks were unaffected. In September, after much discussion on the issue, OSI relented and agreed to not just grandfather in the newbied runebooks, but to instead take the proactive step to make ALL runebooks blessed. Patch notes don't reflect this change, that I can find -- however, this to me is pretty definitive that for our target era, runebooks are not blessed/newbied by default.

    As far as the blessed rune goes, I disagree with this for all the reasons Chris and others have already laid out. I really just wanted to piggyback off this post to add my justifications for runebooks not being blessed/newbied.
  13. Wodan

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    If someone could just bless a couple of runes for me I will stfu :p

    PS : Ha Chris you died on Test Shard and I got one of your masks now !!! I will trade it back for a rune bless deed
  14. Upgrayedd

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    Great bit of research there Corruption. Thanks for putting in the time to figure it out.
  15. Cheapsuit

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    Not sure if you're a time traveler or whatnot but i played siege for 12 years and I can't recall ever being able to recall.
  16. Mandevu

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    Actually, yes, this is correct.
  17. Ervin

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    An Corp!

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