Coming Soon to Renaissance - Future Patch Q&A

Most of this is very exciting stuff that I cannot wait to see implemented, but, I will respectfully voice a couple gripes. First off, this...

-Improved AI and abilities for the various champion bosses to reduce the ability for players to use 2/3 characters when finishing off a champion spawn.

Now hear me out. I can farm 60-100k an hr with my tamer. If I do the easiest of the champion spawns (baracoon) it requires usually around 1 1/2 hrs. If I use 3 accounts thats 18 plat. 18 plat at 6k per is 108,000. Roughly what I would get farming for 1 1/2 hrs, so I think that's pretty fair. Add in other factors, like its hard to use 3 accounts because a lot of the time one or more of the other characters die, or, the champion dies so fast that you cannot do sufficient damage on 3 accounts. Personally I use only 2 accounts right now and I only get the plat on the 2nd account about half the time. Its already hard enough to get people interested in champion spawns, I think making it to where your only getting 6 plat every hour and a half will essentially kill the champion spawn guilds during a time when we are actually getting a lot of people to actively run the champion spawns.. I know myself, I will be done with them and will simply go back to boring old farming to buy a LOT more plat/hr then I could ever make at the champion spawn. Yes, a bunch of us farmed a lot of plat this past week, but hell, we put in a lot of work and hours into getting that plat. Not to mention reg cost, death and loss, ect. It was no different then if we had spent hours and hours power farming. If you really feel this change needs to be made and the new system will be effective in eliminating 2nd and 3rd accounts then I would at least suggest upping the plat reward for the champion bosses to 10 plat as opposed to 6.

My only other suggestion is a smaller one. The color of the fluffy jr's and the bunnys. These statues would get me a lot more excited if they weren't so dark and not far off from the regular dragon statue (I know the mob itself is a much different hue, but on the statue it looks a lot darker). Im not asking for a bright outlandish color, but I would really like to see a dark yellow, or a dark green color on the statue (dragon hues).

I have been waiting to get you back there to ask for not just my polar bear but my CHARACTER to be hued 1287.

You can just go buy a dragon statue with platinum.


To say that you are done with champions because you can't multi-account them is rather silly.
If you actually picked gold for the duration of a champion spawn, you'd make 10s of thousands of gold on top of the platinum.
I'd like to see some stats on how much gold is ignored in the pursuit of zomg platinum. Personally, I'd rather see the number of pieces dropping on mobs leading up to the boss, increased slightly, but not drastically.

One quick question for now about the unraveling of bone armor. Does this mean that the bone armor can be turned into bones for recrafting much like smelting metal objects into ingots?

Lol I have countless bags full of bone armor because I horde everything and if that is the case that is awesome!

Stranger, as a vocal disapprover of Recall Mining in IRC... it is hilarious to see you here defending your abuse of the three account limit. /facepalm.


And here I am feeling guilty and being accused of 'running a money machine'. Have two extra accounts bot casting e-bolt to gain an extra 12 plat per champ spawn? Why that happens to be 72k extra, or 9k iron ingots if you will.. You know how long it takes to mine 9k ingots with recall mining?

Perfect, I think this is a good plan.

I'm going to have to agree with Stranger on this one. I'd be all for using just 1 client at the bosses, but 6~ platinum + the few coins scavenged during the spawn will make it not worth doing for me personally. Even with the gold I loot throughout the spawn. Farming gold to buy platinum will be a more effective route.

I agree, i have only used one account at a time and find that people using three is kind of abusive. I would rather have the amount of loot/gold increased as well as difficulty with a one account limit, then having 3 accounts on at a time there...

Hm, I guess I don't understand the issue with the gate messages. Don't we already get a pop-up warning when using a gate from a bank that leads outside of guards? All this change really does is change the message that is displayed, right? I suppose you now also get a warning if you access a gate outside of guards that leads to a house, but that's gotta be a lot less common. Is that the issue?

I'd be very happy for there to no longer to be a 'need' to bring in additional accounts on champions. I absolutely hate lugging my other guys out there and trying to land E-bolts before the boss drops. But when the difference is 12 plat (40 in the case of harrowers), I'd be crazy not to. I think the platinum rewards could maybe be re-evaluated if plat can only be earned on one account, but that's a bit of another discussion.

My concern is that changes to the boss AI is not going to change my behavior. Say Mephitis now pulls people in and/or teleports on top of people. The down side of bringing multiple accounts is I now might have to loot my body. The upside is I might get +12 plat. I'm still bringing my other accounts to try and take him down.

Some alternative solutions:

• Only receive plat on one account, based off some form of account grouping.
• Move the bonus platinum from the boss and convert it into higher drop rates in stages 2 thru 4.

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Me likey!

The second suggestion more so because this will encourage more people to be active during the stages and less likely to 'freeload' off other people's efforts of grinding a champ for an hour or two and popping in conveniently right before the boss spawns. I personally work the stages on my main (bard) and keep two archers on standby when doing the champs and gate them in when the boss spawns.

From personal experience, the bosses that move around a lot (oaks is the worst) are the hardest to get triple plat on. I am lucky to get plat on two accounts from oaks, not sure if I ever got on all 3 but most other champs its quite doable imo.

They call me a clam digger man...

Just curious, but if we can't bring 3 accounts into holiday events to get extra holiday coins, why aren't champion spawns restricted as well?

I have zero champ spawn experience, they are usually done outside of my playtime, but the triple platinum does seem a little off.

This is purely a guess but I imagine it would be harder to create ip restrictions for the outerworld whereas these holiday events are in a closed instance environment.

Because holiday events are hosted in Trammel, unless they are overworld. Thus, it can be easily restricted by IP.

Gotcha, that makes sense.

I'm sure Chris and crew will come up with something.

"Moving" platinum from the boss to the earlier stages makes the most sense to me.

I do like that the boss platinum is not zero-sum though. If it was... that is, if bosses had a fixed amount of platinum to divvy up... you'd see a lot less cooperation and fun shard events on these things.

Well can you correlate damage from multiple IPs and only give the correct plat too one of the accounts with the same IP(Same person)? Or only allow one account to actually damage a champ? I am now tempted to just have mutliple accounts on a champ spawn for plat... It should be one account honestly.

I myself don't agree with the capture the flag events happening multiple times a week and providing Platinum. I've seen this on another server and it was causing issues with the economy as well as taking players out of the world.

People eventually only logged on for the events and no one was out farming or doing things in dungeons. I hope this doesn't replicate those issues here.

I think a better focus should be rewarding those who are out in dungeons active and doing things out in the world. maybe achievement system for killing things etc. But taking people away from the world IE: Multi CTF's a week IMO
Will destroy the value of going out and getting into the dungeons.