Hello these are separate topics I wanted to share to better the server; Topic 1; Guard zone mechanics & pets. Currently, if you attack a grey (for our purposes here, we will call them a 'criminal'), they wait off screen until the criminal is no longer grey to the tamer. Guard mode lasts longer than the 2 minute cycle on criminal. So the criminal will come back and attack a pet. If the tamer says all guard me (a rationale response to your pets being attacked by another player) the pet goes into guard mode, and the tamer gets guard whacked. The criminal then can kill himself and give the tamer a murder count. See video here showing this mechanic; Solution: Either enforce this as a violation of rules and hold players who exploit the mechanic accountable, or, increase the criminal timer to five minutes. Topic 2&3; Leprechaun caves and murder counts Currently, if are a criminal prior to entering a leprechaun cave, you will probably be attacked because this is fel and most players do not trust a random grey jumping into an area with them. If you (the criminal) are attacked and are killed by the blue character, you can give a murder count to the blue who attacked you (who will still be blue when you die). Separately, if you attack a blue inside a leprechaun cave but do 0 damage to them, they are able to leave the sparkle and go to the event center. They are then able to leave the event center and intentionally kill themselves, then they are able to give you a murder count. Solution: Fix murder counts, if you enter a moon gate and are not re-engaged by the attacker on the other side of the moon gate, you may no longer give a murder count. This can be accomplished by setting a maximum distance from the attacker. This solution will prevent players from exploiting this mechanic. Topic 4; Easter Bunnies In years past, there have been issues with people blocking bunnies, hiding bunnies, boating bunnies etc. so they can solely farm the golden eggs which sell for large quantities of gold. This is inherently not within the spirit of the event, so these were graciously fixed (thank you staff for your hard work!) Currently, what is happening is bunnies are being crowded together in an obscure location on the map, so they can be repeatedly farmed and massive quantities of gold printed with minimal/no effort. Solution: Easter bunnies may only be fed once, they must be killed to respawn a new bunny, who may then produce a new golden egg. Thank you staff, I hope some of these mechanics and their solutions are found to be problems worth solving and the solutions feasible to implement. [ONE] Lichend
1 - I am not sure about this one. The tamer in that video didn't give a guard command when he got whacked. Either way I would say it makes more sense to decrease the pet guard timer, rather than overhaul criminal timers if this is in fact even working how you described. Another easy solution would be not not attacking blues with your pets, then hiding in guard protection. 2 - you can't get counts for attacking greys. I think this is just a matter of being a little confused on your part with who you have been attacking, and in what order. 3 - bunnies being able to be fed every hour is a staff design choice. In the scenarios you're describing, bunnies are in public space, fully trackable and killable by anyone inerested in doing so. This one seems more like a situation of you just not liking the intended mechanism than anything being objectively wrong with it.
Wow!! ONE whining again! How original!! Whining about stuff that they don't know how it works to have it "fixed" to suit their play style. Dream Weaver nailed every point...
That first one... also happens to be a mechanic that your buddies in bow have used multiple times, in different contexts, lol. So before you sound the call to "hold players who exploit the mechanic accountable" you should check with your affiliates, many of them would be on that list. Now, ignorance having been recognized, I also happen to agree with you that the mechanic is broken. I dont know how it works, never took time to test it, but there is DEFINITELY something out of sync between criminal timers and pet aggro. One could argue, and maybe it is worth pointing out, that if you plan on attacking other players, maybe you shouldn't also hide in guard protection? It would avoid the whole thing you know. That said, its still broken. It has something to do with pet aggro against a player that attacked you when you were grey, aggro being out of sync and flagging you when the player comes back on screen. I believe you are on the right track with the all guard command. Perhaps the guard command doesn't time out, so if the last player that attacked you is now blue, and comes on screen, your dragon will then automatically attack them, since guard is still in effect but the combat timer is now gone. Since combat had timed out and both players are now blue, the act of the dragon responding to that player and attacking them will now flag you. I'd be willing to bet it is something along these lines. Answer would be to simply time out the all guard command, in relation to the last aggressor, making it the same as the combat timer. Again, I'll state, maybe grow a pair and instead of using your pets for 99 percent of your engagements, and then hiding in guard protection, you could jump on a pvp char? Its a temporary solution until the mechanic is fixed, then you could go back to using all kill and hiding, and not have to feel unsafe.
Imagine that.. the cancel crew sliding in! No, no confusion on my part. Each reported item was witnessed at the time and place of occurrence by multiple people. These are improvements for the server and no personal attacks as you would have seen if you read my post. Let’s keep this a constructive communication directed toward staff. Thank you peanut gallery.
Acting like these responses, from these players aren't exactly what you wanted from this post. Stop the drama farming. Stop whining and play the game.
Points 2 and 3. As stated above, you are obviously confused. If you attack a grey player, they cannot count you. Second, yeah, if you attack blue players, you should expect to get a count. Your people have cried about this in different contexts for a long time now. How about you simply accept the fact that if you choose to attack a blue player, you will get a murder count? Lol. You guys roll 12 tamers into a cave, using pets to kill other players, and you are mad that you got a count? Seriously though this is super funny. Definitely an exploit that needs fixing. Cause you know, 12 tamers in a lep cave isn't already easy mode. And point 4.... point 4 is what? You don't think bunnies should follow players? You haven't ever heard of a skill called tracking? Oh, wait. Are you mad that players are able to farm a lot of gold during an event? You reference that a couple times. So help me understand this. You think the bunnies that can be tracked and easily found are somehow unfair, because they drop golden eggs once an hour? If the solution, in your opinion, is to kill the bunny, in order to get more eggs, isn't that even better? A dead bunny will respawn in minutes. Ohhhhhhhhh wait wait. I get it. You guys roll 12 tamers on each rabbit. This makes a lot more sense now. With a change like this, it will absolutely fit into YOUR agenda and play style, which is to bring in all your triples for each mob you see. That way, you can farm these eggs and bunnies much much faster. Gotcha. Yep, good call.
I think my reply is pretty impartial. Suggesting big changes like criminal timer adjustments, and the ability to attack whoever you want without the risk of murder counts (cause you can't get them from attacking greys) is worthy of some conversation. If you want to sum that up as "cancel crew / peanut gallery" rather than try to actually have conversations about the server rules you are suggesting changes to, I'd say that's fairly problematic.
i think adjusting the crim timer to match the guard timer or visa versa would be a step in the right direction on his first point, i saw this used against some other people in town as well, they were unable to stable their pets and could not leave as they were attacking the dragon and getting the owner guard wacked, not a clever use of game mechanics there, but using a loophole that should be closed. the 2nd point he was making about the caves somehow messing up being grey, i have also seen first hand, came into a cave, hit an all kill macro that targets greys/reds and it attacked a grey player, that player then counted me after he died. that happened 2 times and it was right as we entered the cave so i am not sure if there was a display issue causing this but it was happening. i fully expect to take a murder count if i just attack somebody and kill them, that was not his gripe there. 2nd part of that with chasing somebody out of a cave, they then goto the EC, out of the EC and then kill themselves after getting to town to give a count seems odd. if you recall away and kill yourself you can not count the aggressor so why is this not the same. lastly the bunny thing, i don't know how to approach that one, as i understood the bunny gold egg was put in place due to the spawning eggs going away, trying to get people to engage the event more than just running about collecting eggs. if i were to change anything about it i would allow the bunny to be fed as they are now but after the first feed you no longer get a golden, instead it would be maybe a 1:5 chance of a gold when fed or maybe none at all, would still allow for people to farm away without actually having to fight anything if that is what they desired but the reward would be in moving around more and trying to get to the rabbit first to get that gold egg. the way it is now its more like recall mining than it is an event and if the reason the feeding was to get people more engaged with the event it seems to have gone the opposite direction. and his remark about cancel crew/peanut gallery, just look at the post under yours, then immediately after that there is another one with rather unconstructive comments as well. you can post your views on his suggestions without name calling or general shittyness if you feel they are wrong, but it did not go that way (except for your initial post) not too pleasant, so yeah, puts a bad taste in everybody's mouth that comes to read about it and i understand why he dismissed them as such.
You guys rolled into caves and attacked blues, every time. You don't receive counts from killing greys, and as much as you want to believe that it was happening, the caves aren't some Bermuda triangle of UO coding where suddenly it works differently. You got counts for pking people. Pretty simple.
This is incorrect. The golden eggs from bunnies were an existing mechanic years before 2021 when the spawning eggs were turned off. And for whatever it is worth my experience is nothing like recall mining. You need to be fully attended and attentive to feed the bunny without spawning the fluffy or dying. The only AFK egg farming I have been aware of was fixed in 2021 when they corrected the mistake that allowed bunnies to be fed inside player housing.
i attacked plenty of blues when i went into caves, i am not saying i did not. I rarely ever record my UO gameplay but wish i had been in that case, there is no reason in the world for me to lie about what happened on those 2 cases and am not asking to not take counts when attacking blues. out of the whole event it happened 2 times to me personally. Not a widespread occurrence but one none the less, if you cannot accept that then i don't know what else i can do for you. what part is incorrect? i said as i understood it the golden eggs for feeding were put in when the spawning eggs went away, you say that is wrong then say that it was put in place when spawning eggs were turned off? Can you clarify what one for me please? and about the recall mining take on it, last i checked recall miners have to be attended as well, AFK gumps make sure of that, also you said yourself in your stream that you don't play but for a few minutes an hour after getting enough bunny locations and timers, so lets just say that you get 2 full books of bunnies to feed, that comes out to 320K/hr in just golden eggs. there is no activity in the game that i am aware of that can net you that amount of gold for so little time investment. these activities are here for us to get people playing the game, out and about in the world so that it feels alive, what you are doing goes directly against that. I am sure there are others that do it as well, so i don't want to single you out on it so much, its just that nobody else did a stream on it explaining how they don't actually play for 20hrs a day and that the method you use is so easy and not time intensive.
The mechanic of feeding a bunny a carrot and getting a golden egg was in place before 2021. 2021 was the year when spawning eggs went away.
I appreciate you watching my stream, but I don't appreciate you quoting me out of context. I said on stream, (and on VOD) that my goal with bunnies is to get to a point where I only have to commit a few minutes an hour to feeding the bunnies I have previously located through my very active gameplay. Finding the bunnies is the competitive, engaging, and highly active gameplay. Feeding them is the low-effort upkeep and in-game financial reward. You are correct in observing this activity (available for a limited holiday season each year) has incredible profit potential. I will also add it had incredibly low barriers to entry for new players, making it an excellent method for a newbie to raise large amounts of gold quickly on our very old, very expensive server. What your theoretical shows is that viewing my stream is about the full extent of your experience with feeding these bunnies, because if you had ever tried to collect 2 full runebooks of bunnies and expect even half of them to survive even a few hours during the activity of the event, then you have figured out farming methods that I have never even thought of. If you actually watched my stream with any desire to learn and not simply to justify your prejudices, you would've seen me, out in the world searching for bunnies to feed, mark, and check back on, for four hours of gameplay. I'd bet I was "out and about in the world" making it feel much more alive than you were during those hours. And all the other hours I spent feeding those poor hungry bunnies because you wouldn't.
I dont think you are lying. I KNOW that you are confused. You clearly lost track of who and when you attacked, and got counted. Having attacked plenty of peeps in the caves myself, for a few years now, I can say that I've never received a count from a grey. Neither did you. I wish you had recorded as well, cause you'd be able to track what actually happened and realize it wasn't a grey that counted you.
At Attack whoever you want without murder counts? You obviously did not read what I wrote. These don’t involve server rules- these involve broken mechanics being used intentionally.
i took nothing out of context, i said the exact same thing you just said here. i agree that for those 4 hours of you actively playing and collecting locations and eggs should be profitable, otherwise nobody would do it. i would say playing super active in this event is almost on par with farming for xmas scrolls, the part i don't agree with is the residual income after the fact of actively playing just going to your machine for 5 minutes recalling about. its the AFTER part that is broken. i learned exactly what i thought was happening during your stream, and these are not prejudices aimed at you, just simple ideas to try and improve an already good event. why would you make wild assumptions about my activity in the world? because i didn't stream it? you have no idea how much i played during this event or how i played this event, as i said in my previous post you get mentioned in this because you made how you do this public via streaming, i even said there were more people than you doing it but you must have missed that part.
Amazing how defensive you get about people making assumptions... wonder where that could possibly come from? Me thinks thou dost protest too much.
