Mes wasn't there, in our mumble. The only place he would have had the slightest chance of getting evidence to the contrary. Thieves running haphazardly into strongholds to get sigils knowing they are going to die is about as common as it comes. How many combat-ready faction thieves are there active, really? I feel that removing the need for Stealing to take sigils would mitigate a lot of that. Napo, if you've killed enough enemies that they need to res and regroup, you have won the battle. The war rages on forever but that battle is won. Have a cup of tea and do it again. If you don't want them coming back in statloss, don't stand over their bodies waiting for it. That said, loot away it is your right as you have paid the iron price, as they say in GoT. When there's no sigils to defend though, I see no reason to delay my enemy's return to the field.
This is exactly what I was saying, by the way. We own up to bad behavior. They don't. It's very typical. They're saying that the guys were just playing normally while dying dozens of times and saying shit like "lol" right before they got ported back to town. It's total bullshit.
Not to be mean or start anything or whatever but aren't you like insanely rich gideon? Why does your loot mean so much to you?
It's time and I assure you Gideon gives no shits about loot either. napo, I say lol before I die probably half the time because I see it coming. If I were running a thief, I wouldn't come with more than some recall/heal regs and I'd try to snatch and run. I would also say lol when I died because it's just funny. If they were just thieves, couldn't you just drop them almost immediately and lol as well? Also, it's a pretty blatant lie that you own up to bad behavior. Unless by owning up you mean accusing everyone of being the same, inaccurately.
The thief was fully stocked and loaded for combat. I don't know why you're assuming that all theives are newbies on foot. My thief is a fully stocked and battle-ready stun mage as well. Those guys were capable of fighting, but they were bum rushing sigs trying to get a steal off because they knew they were unkillable. You'll make excuses for them indefinitely though. I'm aware of that.
DDOS protection needs to be looked at then. Obviously the safeguards that were put in place for the common man pvmer are being abused. I wonder if there is a way to eliminate the DDOS protection stuff if a character is in factions?
You know, I'm not even upset about that. We made do. What bothers me is that we're demonized for making do when we were responding to the other side abusing. People act like we're just horrible and they nobody else does anything.
Just like I defended SL for their numbers saying others needed to build teams, not insist SL split up. I speak my mind and defend what I believe is right, friend or not. There is no evidence to suggest they were ONLY returning because of the DDoS protection. Quite to the contrary I have witnessed fek do the exact same thing, on various characters, many many times, prior to DDoS protection existing. The guy dies and immediately gets back to it because that's how he plays. If you have battle ready thieves, more power to you. A lot of the thieves are tinker, trap remover mule types. If people are found to be abusing a mechanic for unfair gain, that should absolutely be addressed and if I believed for a second that DDoS protection was the ONLY reason fek returned multiple times, I'd be happy to call him trashy for it as well. I already bust his balls for ghosting but you'll always choose not to believe me because it's easier for you to assume I lie as much as you or make accusations based on what you think I would do if you were in my shoes. Guess what? I'm not you, or any of your friends and I'll quit before I stoop to such levels. You were demonized for luring faction guards into a base they never should have been in. That is entirely different and clearly evidenced, unlike your accusations that fek only returned because of DDoS protection. If he says "Yeah, I never would have come back without it" then fuck him, he's a trashbag for doing it. Just like all of SL, I won't hate him for it personally but I will bust his balls for it endlessly. Feel free to return the favor for all of my misgivings. lol
to be fair, your post was kind of the bomb that exploded this whole thread into SL vs TB. read your posts in this thread and tell me what you have contributed to the topic of "Factions heat of battle". you complain about our propagandizing, but all you have posted in this thread is SL hate mail. we were trying to have a conversation here about actual problems.
I've never seen Amfekk charge into a room with no intention of healing or attacking to certain death. I've seen him fight against the odds, but he wasn't fighting. He was running through, attempting with a thief to grab sigils before he was killed so he could be teleported out with it. None of you guys will ever admit to even a little bit of wrongdoing though. You never do. You will just go on going "lol u can't prove it" until we're all tired of talking.
feKploit this thread was started today and its already 3 pages into how i was abusing this and exploiting that during the SL sigil defense glad there was nothing i could do about the ddos protection and faction guards in SL base once the ddos protection was turned off
I was only stopping you Napo from exploiting.. I didnt want you to corrupt the sigils run out of SL base and then die to the TB zerg (wait you would have been saved from DDOS protection right?)... In all, that whole situation was unfair for both parties.. Hell, in the beginning I was 2v1ing SL and I lured the fencing Nugget (I'm guessing you Napo) away and mindblast explo potted you to death.. but wait.. you were teleported to Ocollo.
You could have waited a reasonable time between deaths. Or you could have fought normally. Instead, you bum rushed the sigils with a thief over and over trying to get a sig and get teleported out with it. That's abusing the ddos mechanics. I actually don't care about the clever use of mechanics, though. What I care about is that we took steps to counteract it, and we're demonized for it while everyone else is making excuses for you. You want to be equals? Come clean. I don't care that TB plays dirty, I care that you're all so two faced about shit.
You guys took steps by bringing guards to base and AND you left them in base after ddos protection was turned off. Am I not right? Did I not take the first step and pm Mes informing him of the DDOS protection? oh no fek you dirty exploiter.. It's alright. I've come clean, but why did you leave them in base after protection was turned off?
So you're admitting that you did take advantage of the DDOS protection? Thank you, that's what I was looking for. Yes, we did bring in some guards. We would not have been able to keep your thieves from touching the sigs without them. Yes, it was a mean dirty thing to do, but I don't regret it. We definitely would have lost the sigs to the ddos protection thing without them. It was even difficult to keep you guys off the sigs with the guards.
enough said.. this topic is about the heat of battle an aggressor should never be able to recall UNLESS the defender leaves a certain radius (example.. I attack an SL who is running a sigil back and I initate the combat.. He straight-lines it straight to the moongate but I cannot use the moongate because I flagged on him, but he can gate-hop to skara... after he gate hops my flee message should disappear and I should be able to leave the area and enter skara if I wish.
and to Napo I wasn't going to sit there after the fact that guards were in base and wait for DDOS protection to magically turned off.. I don't even think there is a system message for this.
If you didn't intend to exploit it, you wouldn't have hatched a plan to run for the sigs until you got them.
