Seeking clarification about IRC rules

Actually the fish got cleaned up for one simple reason

Napo sent Telamon a message saying he thought the fish were great and he couldn't wait to try it out on other peoples' houses. They were fixed the next morning.

I was pretty amused by it - I knew staff would have to intervene if it caused a black hole and since it was pretty clear who was doing it intentionally I knew how they'd clean it up.

As far as this thread is concerned - we had bombed a resist session and iago and amfekk were ranting about it in renaissance and talking trash. Some of us responded and napo got banned. So we were a bit butthurt. Fortunately we got to head over to uorpvp where amfekk and iago could call us n****** and white trash. And I was reminded why I stay out of those channels.

Because you don't want to get caught up and start calling people fa***ts again?

kthx, here's your pope hat.

PS. All I ever did was answer your ridiculous question about clarifying the IRC rules.... but you're still pissed.

Experience drama
Hop on IRC
Talk about it publicly
Get told to stop
Ignore the recommendation
Get booted
Come to ANOTHER public forum
Talk about it publicly

There's a pattern here... if only I could crack the code.

I have said things out of anger that I regret. I think it would be better if we learned to communicate without personal attacks or racial slurs.

I apologize for calling you a faggot at that tournament last year. I should have found a different way to express myself.

It looks like DarkWing gave a short time-out the biggest loudmouth who had been going on and on and on and on for about 10 minutes and then continued on about half a minute after being warned to move the conversation while others had stopped (except Balla).

Napo broke the rules. He knows he broke the rules. Napo doesn't need clarification on the rules, he wants to concern troll about being treated unfairly after he was trolling irc for a solid 10 minutes before being warned. Notice nothing about his post disputes he was actually in breach of the rules. His only complaint is that he was banned from chat while others were not. Fek wrote a few lines immediately after the warning, napo continued on and on for about half a minute and then was given a short time-out. This changes your conduct from equal with feK to a degree worse than feK. An underlying premise of your concern trolling and generally bitching and crying is that your conduct was equal to others and they were not punished while you were, except your conduct was not equal. The player whose conduct was most equal to yours because he continued long after the warning was Balla, who was not banned. Whoops, that doesn't play into your collective victim narrative. We'll leave that out.

This is easy napo. Did you or did you not break the rules after being warned? We both know the answer is yes. That means your tiny time-out was justified. You want to minimize this and move on to fair enforcement (i.e., what children do, "but he did it too!"), but your conduct is not equal to any of the other players involved in that convo.

And, of course, and as always with DarkWing, a simple pm saying you'll stop will get you immediately back into the channel. Napo didn't do that, he whined, insulted, and attacked Darkwing instead. Which is what you always do and why you have such a well-earned reputation of being an insufferable, obnoxious whiny asshole.

But no, you're the victim bud. Everyone treats you unfairly. Repeat ad-nauseum every couple days. Your biggest problem, which I am sure doesn't only exist with you in the interwebs, is that you are treated fairly.

Last night you started talking trash in irc and called us out. When we responded napo got banned. That's what felt unfair about it. Everyone impartial that has read the log has agreed that multiple people talked after the warning and deserved a 15 minute ban equally.

I doubt DW saw the prior minutes so I don't really begrudge him for not knowing who started what. I do think he should have either punished all parties equally or rescinded the ban once he realized what was going on.

speaking of trolling, you are yourself the chief of polarized lunatics that only opens his mouth to talk trash and foam. We wouldn't even be here having this conversation if you hadn't been ranting in IRC and calling us out specifically by name.

Agreed. You could have just kicked my ass in the tournament instead. Probably would have been easier than typing 6 characters.

I'm not free from regrettable outbursts either and I'll try to let that past go, providing it isn't returned again.

"Everyone impartial" (you took a survey, I'm sure, lol) didn't know the context or the exact timing of the conversation. Do you think anyone who spoke after the warning should have been banned, even if what they wrote was within seconds of the warning?

I don't care about your butthurt mes. Whine to someone else. To everyone else: notice the m.o.: accuse others, deflect blame, and spurt ink everywhere.

Words of wisdom and an honest apology, here. No fronting, just straight-up taking responsibility and acknowledging that we have a small community of people here so why try to poison it? As someone who often wonders whether she stepped into a chatroom/videogame populated by middle school aged boys instead of grown-ass adults, I really appreciate this post.

i was referring to tank jones and basoosh in this context

and as far as people who spoke after the warning: I think they should have all been banned or none at all. They all continued to talk. It's not like amfekk only spoke a few seconds afterwords like you're implying. That's just false.

Oh, two people. Well, that's "everyone impartial that has read the log" (of course it's not). I doubt either of them knew the context. Why do you feel the need to be so misleading and sleezy in your posts?

Okay, so you think a person who clicked enter before he saw the warning and the message appeared after the warning should have been banned alongside people who continued bickering and insulting half a minute after the warning?

Do you think napo and Balla's conduct, which continued well after the warning, is in any way different or worse than a hypothetical person who clicked enter before they read the warning? Do you think it's in any way different or worse than someone who responded and then completely stopped within a few seconds? This seems to be a clear answer to me (and I think any person who is reasonable).

A discussion on fair treatment (i.e., equal treatment) requires equal behavior. There was not equal behavior here and if you were reasonable, you would agree there wasn't either.

The person had three lines after the warning. I'm not trying to be 'sleezy' or misleading. You just view me that way because you can't have a discussion about us rationally. Just like I said it would be when you first came back to the server. I welcomed you back and said it's too bad you'd be indoctrinated in short time by the echo-chamber you hang out in. You said you wouldn't be. You were. I recognize that you believe fully that I'm the devil and that your friends are blameless. But this isn't rational. People are people. Bart is a human being and so is napo. There is some fair expectation that moderators will treat people equally despite where they come from or whose club they are in. That's all this is about.

Yeah, I'm aware that I broke the rules. I don't think that it was wrong that I was punished.
What I'm wondering is why amfekk was not?

It seems like every time certain people do things, they're "given a talk to". Seeing as people have been calling us niggers and white trash for months, and naming their horses after our alleged love of black cock, and this behavior only continues - what exactly is the staff saying to these people during their supposed talks?
Meanwhile, when we do something we get banned public execution style. I just want fair treatment. They talk shit about us in Renaissance - something they should be very aware that is against the rules by this point - but somehow I'm the one that gets the boot when I respond to people saying I'm a trashbag that is ruining the shard. In fact, on the whole, they are allowed to rant about us as much as they want in #renaissance - it only becomes trash talk that needs to go to #uorpvp when one of us responds to people trashing us.

I want the rules to be enforced fairly. If trash talk is not allowed in #renaissnace, please kick the people who are starting it, not people who are responding trying to defend their reputations.

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I'll keep it in UOR pvp when I'm complaining about how SL/TT griefs resist events and how you kids suck.. I'll keep it out of #Renaissance chat. I'll keep Balla on ignore even when he logs on under different names/IPS.

IRC cannot contain the power of the hype train.

Flushing it before it starts is the only survivalist's solution.

Welcome to DorkWang's Dungeon. It's absolutely a tunnel vision problem where somehow it's not obvious that X Y and Z should get the boot, instead of just X.
By X, of course I mean whoever DarkWing likes the least because the decision is pretty blatantly subjective from what I can tell. Folks can come in and tell me to suck a dick all day but if I say 'boo' I get slapped and PMs that aren't automated.

*sigh*

Dividing the main channel is a terrible idea. People should be taught the ignore function and bans should only happen for outright hate speech or things that are actually bad. Not just us saying we're bad. hahaha Ultimately, it's their ballpit so I just take my licks and carry on without wasting breath on dispute, these days.

Just so we're on the same page. I named my horse "ballasdoublewide" once. It was never named anything else. I believe it's still in the stables on my Cynic toon.

Disclaimer: I did not read any of this