I've never once failed at applying DP on my fencer with 100.0 poisoning and I've never poisoned myself.
I've never poisoned myself either but I have failed applying. I may have a CTF screenshot of it somewhere.
You know, I'm going to have to say I'm wrong here. I went through about a couple hundred screenshots and I see no failures. I'm probably only remembering when my 30 skill level dexxer fails at lesser poison.
At which point in alchemy skill wise and plz specify shown or real should I start deadly poison? I'm currently 70.2 on greater poison.
As in OP, there's no need to switch to Deadly Poison (DP). At your current skill level you continue with Greater Poison (GP) until GM! Also training with GP is lot cheaper than with DP.
I found the following guide from somewhere on the forum but I don't remember where unfortunately. ________________ Poisoning 0-30: Train from npc (thief guildmaster) 30-45: Lesser poison 45-65: Poison 65-100: Greater poison 90-100: Deadly poison For poisoning... Starting at 90 for DP will waste a TON of NS. You can actually GM on GP. But I wouldn't even consider DP until 97-98 if you wanted to go that route.(Gharik) ________________ I just want a clarification. Is this real or shown skill? (I ask because i'm at 40 shown poisoning as I write this.)
I'm guessing it must be real skill because I just checked on it and I'm at 45.4 real skill while still using lesser poison. All and all, Its been about 2 hours and 40 minutes to go from 40 shown to 50 shown skill. Not bad
hello guys, i am new, but in the other shard that i used to play (hybrid) we use to gm alch with 50~55 (or 65) i think with poison than great agi or stre, and 80~90 gh or gs and to finalyze, gexp. and i would like to know if gm alch have bonus dmg with gexp?
For anyone not really looking to train poisoning and just an alchemist. I just trained a gm alchemist from 0 skill. Took me about 36 hours total, since I had to manually swap full kegs for empty ones (didn't have the patience to add it to my macro). These are real skill not shown. 0-30 - trained from npc 30-60 - poison (17 kegs) 60-97 - Greater Poison (42 Kegs) 97-GM - Deadly (1 3/4 Kegs) I swapped to DP at 97 since I had an 80% success rate with GP. I like to swap at that point no matter what I'm making. I used exactly 30,769 Nightshade in the process. Now with that being said. Is this enough poison to GM poisoning? I doubt it very seriously. But I just wanted to relay the info to those that are thinking of making an alchemist and maybe not a poisoner. I did save my kegs in case I, one day, wanted to make a poisoner. Hope it helps those that may be deterred from alchemy because of the cost.
I am pleased to report that I just GM'ed my Alchemist using the method previously described and shown below: Vendor Trained to 62.7: 16kegs of Poison 62.8 to GM: 49kegs + 75 Potions of Greater Poison All in all I used 29,161 Nightshade. Overall Cost: 29161 NS x 3.4167gp* = 99,634gp 65 Kegs x 352gp** = 22,880gp Total Cost: 122,514gp Notes: *Pricing reflects 60k NS bulk order from @Hydrox - I bought that much as above posts made me think I would need them. Maybe the 60k was for doing Poison as well. **Pricing reflects current selling price of kegs sourced from @Simoneau Trade 's vendor Pricing does not include cost of vendor training and making the alchemy tools (mortle & pestle) made through Tinkering on my own. I think I went through maybe 150-200 non exceptional? Ingot usage to make them were quite negligible. Maybe 1k? Quite affordable.
Reporting my experiences as well, and I will update as I progress. I will be training both Alchemy and Poisoning (In series, not parallel). So far: 4392 Nightshade Vendor trained -> 62.7 Real Skill (100% success on Poison) - 18.5 Kegs of Poison (4392 Nightshade) Starting Greater Poison today and will update either by end of day or until I GM. GMed just now. Final numbers: Vendor trained -> 62.7 Real Skill (100% success on Poison) - 18.5 Kegs of Poison (4392 Nightshade) 62.7 -> GM - 48 Kegs of Greater Poison (24711 Nightshade) Total Nightshade used: 29103
Just finished GMing Poisoning. I did 50-70.0 (Shown skill) using Poison, and then did Greater Poison to GM. Took almost exactly 50,000 Nightshade that @Hydrox sold me. I have just about 1.75 Kegs of GP remaining after hitting GM. Not too bad all things considered!
Glad we were just about on the money with that! Happy to supply anyone else that's looking to get on it!
The real question is, at what skill lvl will you never fail to apply lesser poison? GM'ing poison is a waste imho considering how easy it is to cure.
Some fresh data here. It took 50-55k nightshade to GM poisoning and alch. It also took 150-200 mortar & pestles crafted by a GM tinker. I would go as far to say that if you were going to GM poisoning you may as well just GM alchy with it even if you were going to drop it later, unless you already had a GM alch on a different account and wanted to setup a 2/3 char macro. Dealing with a ton of full kegs is a bigger hassle than its worth IMHO. I used a container full of nightshade and mortars. 1 single empty bottle A GM healer spamming bandages to deal with failed poisonings (you could add a part of the macro to use cure pots if you wanted, or magery, but parking a 2nd char with 500 bandages seemed to be the easiest option for this) There is a "bug" or potentially an intended design aspect of Razor that you cannot target green pots by type if your backpack. The workaround is to drop them to the ground, then it will work. The only complicated part with macroing alch + poisoning together is that you only want to attempt poisoning if the alchy was successful. There are a few ways you can do this but doing it based on weight was the most reliable for me because it is self resetting. To use this macro: 1. Set a restock agent for 2 mortars + a reasonable amount of nightshade, say 500 2. Re-target the macro for your restock container, and your item to be poisoned (i used a dagger) 3. Get yourself 1 empty bottle 4. Check your weight after running the restock agent, remove 1 from this amount and put it in the "if weight" 5. Set the macro to stop at 70 poisoning for reg poison, then 100 for greater poison 6. Setup a GM healer with some bandages to spam heal you 7. Set the health threshold to be some number slightly less than your max HP !Loop Assistant.Macros.IfAction|0|1|70 Assistant.Macros.DoubleClickTypeAction|3739|True Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.3000000 Assistant.Macros.GumpResponseAction|21|0|0 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.4000000 Assistant.Macros.HotKeyAction|0|Restock Agent-20 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.4000000 Assistant.Macros.AbsoluteTargetAction|0|0|1110775194|1963|2226|6|3709 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:02.7000000 Assistant.Macros.LiftTypeAction|3850|1 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.1000000 Assistant.Macros.DropRelLocAction|1|-1|0 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.3000000 Assistant.Macros.IfAction|5|1|141 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.0500000 Assistant.Macros.ElseAction Assistant.Macros.UseSkillAction|30 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.4000000 Assistant.Macros.TargetTypeAction|False|3850 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.4000000 Assistant.Macros.AbsoluteTargetAction|0|0|1117680269|0|0|0|3922 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:05 Assistant.Macros.EndIfAction Assistant.Macros.EndIfAction Assistant.Macros.IfAction|100|1|100|30 Assistant.Macros.HotKeyAction|1083| Assistant.Macros.EndIfAction In case you need the healing macro too !Loop Assistant.Macros.ClearSysMessages Assistant.Macros.DoubleClickTypeAction|3617|True Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.5000000 Assistant.Macros.AbsoluteTargetAction|0|2|1007869|1964|2226|6|400 Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:00.5000000 Assistant.Macros.IfAction|4|0|not Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:01 Assistant.Macros.ElseAction Assistant.Macros.PauseAction|00:00:05 Assistant.Macros.EndIfAction
