is it good?

QFT and I've given away countless amounts of gold and the occasional deed (usually reserved for people I know but certainly not exclusive). There have been very few who don't jump at the chance to get a leg up early on. I always commend them for taking the high road because I know it's hard to resist. I took my first 5k check from I think Rainbow when I first started here. I won't derail into the fundamental reason for that; being skillcapping to set stats so you can 'really start' training.
That said, I think player retention is only slightly hampered by that. If the folks who left because it was too easy with handouts stayed longer, it would only get easier. The only real struggle is the empty backpack and skillset on login.

Many people did not put in the exact same work on the prior system. The few I showed up to, I witnessed droves of people recalling in with alts and spamming ebolt at the end. Despite this being run now by people using multiple tamers, I still think it's decent that they are at least engaged all the way through. People who grind hard, absolutely pull ethereals within their first month here. I've watched it happen. People who game casually, still don't have ethereals.


Have I mentioned that Deacon just bought his first ethereal?

Only took me 4 years!

my "i hate this player" colored glasses? how about u take off your "prejudice" contact lenses?
i dont hate anyone, who the f are they so i can hate em? i was just randomly checkin spawns for if boss spawned -which i do everyday- and came upon those dudes at hythloth balrons doin the harrower. they can be anyone and i would do the same if i see that ridiculous battle log. and about why is that in general discussion? cos i think its a general discussion subject.

why did u give the example of "march 2015" exactly, which i learned from mes' earlier post that month vella did 10 public harrowers in one day. its an extreme example that can manipulate people. i wasnt here on march 2015, i quited at february cos i need to graduate from college and uo is takin too much time of me. i did graduate and came back at august same year. i dont like talkin about this kinda stuff but i gave away 30mil+ worth things to people (3-4 people on this thread can confirm that) when i quited and today bux teleporter tower alone can easily worth 10mil. im helpin newbs all the time too, its just a common culture in my country to doin it secretly.

with 300 hours playtime in a month i can make 30mil or more. my point is, i know how to make money more than your "bein good at game, clever and creative" fellas dont worry. this thing is botherin me cos i called this place home and in my opinion this new design of harrower is ridiculous. its just makin rich richer and bad for shard's future, thats all.

-its freezin outside, whys that door open?
-i dunno, BRING A SOLUTION

did u think about shuttin the door first?
we all can discuss about a solution but u need to accept this thing needs some tweaks first.

how about bringin a timer to harrower? more plat reward if u finish it in less time, that way more people can attend
or drop 1000 plat total to 500?
or take harrower spawn area murderings as no harrasment so it can become really risky for people who are doin it?

here, i just gave u 3 suggestions.

Haha Stav, you player hater, wait till you are accused of only saying stuff that your XX (enter the first initials that come to your mind) OVERLORDS told you to say.

3k more plat. Go plat train, go. Make half a dozen grouped players rich rich riiiiiich.




Harrower Fight
05/10/16 - 10:18 am
16


Harrower Fight
05/07/16 - 10:24 am
15


Harrower Fight
05/06/16 - 10:40 am

Have those links been intentionally broken?

No, I don't think so. They lead to a tournament tree, which makes no sense for a harrower.

http://uorenaissance.com/events/Harrower/50

i am so confused

me too @Caska VS Trees

There has been a lot of talk lately about how the numbers are skewed, and that people don't actually make THAT much plat on a harrower. Here are my 3 characters, on which I made a total of 205 plat from the harrower itself and another 23 from tentacles and the floor drop at the end. That, ladies and gentlemen, is a 228 plat pay-out for a single player at a harrower with plenty of good competition. I don't personally care whether the harrower stays the same or gets changed or whatever, I just wanted to show the truth about exactly how much a player can earn at one of these (almost a blessed runebook for something that can be done easily in a weekend by 4-5 players).

fake... there's no way to abuse the harrower.

Is it BlackEye in there?

Absolutely! See my signature. Now I only need to do it on a 3 day basis! Only 14 ethys, and 10 blessed RBs left to my "end goal"! *counts platinum coins in pocket*

@Heretic: It's my testing grounds for slayers. Conclusion: My high tactics heavy xbow of power and exorcism sucked ballz. The 20 vanq axe of exorcism was okay. Pets are unbeatable.

PS: My next project is a fully afk-automated bulk reg vendor. Yep.

Aren't you Sylvana with pets? Or were you three boxing too?

I was three boxing. Tamer, Semi-LJ provo/dexxer and archery tankmage. Naturally I am trying stuff out in a friendly environment when I am able to attend something like this.

So, back to the topic please: This harrower system has a broken reward/risk ratio. Kane clearly showed, how much platin one player can get in no time. This new harrower mechanics provides an income per hour that is 3-4x times higher than the best known farming methods (including all the champ skull collecting etc; if one would consider the harrower alone without the work before it's like 25x more income). I have never seen anything like that in my time here.

I must say it seems very out of balance and not really in the spirit of this game and server as a whole if you're actually able to earn 200 platinum a go per player.

At least to me UO and similar games are about gradually building up your characters and wealth and enjoying the progression, which on the whole is pretty well balanced here. But gaining the equivalent of almost 2mil gold in such a short time kind of makes all other activity meaningless in terms of earning gold/platinum, which is a shame since there's so much awesome content here such as AMIBs and high level treasure maps etc. Add that to the fact that (as far as I understand by having read this thread) Harrowers are done by very experienced players who already have large amounts of currency, then you just sort of hit a point in the game where everything becomes free and I don't see how that's enjoyable.

And on the off-chance that you could get into a Harrower run as a new player - would it even be fun to get 200 platinum at a time and not have to work for it?

I'm a new player and don't have interest in any personal politics here, just commenting on how this seems to me as a system.

Well Kane and others tried and from what I hear, succeeded in trying to help people participate whom otherwise were unable to.

Granted these had to take place in the wee hours of the morning but, they happened.

So I've been reading all the different comments on this thread again (I have time on my hands when I'm LJing ) ...

The Harrower is from Pub 16, in 2002, right? And I imagine when it first came out it was quite a challenge.

But it's been 14 years since then. Veteran players are probably having a much easier time these days - and the comments seem to match up with my assumptions. Maybe 2002 rewards for the same boss in 2016 is a mismatch?

It's rather the 2016 rewards that are problematic. Before that you were limited to 60 platin per three-boxing player. And only a small amount of players were actually 3-boxing. Now the limit is somewhere above 200 platin per three-boxer.

There are many suggestions to change the system floating around. And I bet, one day something will be changed. The only question is, after how many more thousands of platin generated?

Show me the source of this platinum that requires no work please. I'm not a big fan of tamers and especially not a fan of multi-boxing but let's be realistic here. No one is clicking play and watching the platinum pour in. If you knew how much effort was actually going into running these things, perhaps you'd have a better perspective.