What a waste of time

VERY important to mention, camping rares and gathering rares, are two VERY different things. One is AFK gumped and the other is not. Camping rares afk, which only provides a "cruicial part" of gathering them (wealth) is 100% legal, while the actual action of gathering them afk, which actually represents a material gain, is not, and thus is gumped. I am unaware if people actually do this in this shard, but it would be a VERY simple way to gain plat...and a timer.

As for how efficient IDERP would be if a change was made, only their pixel-greed would dictate if they're willing to put in marginally more time or not. My guess is as good as yours.

Mine: their pixel-greed is large enough that they'd each take 5 minute breaks from their job every 90-180 minutes to switch screens and run the bot attended, and between 4 of them keep the timers close enough for them to continue to dominate (btw, this is how the rares group did it in UOSA, and it wasn't really hard). Or just have the bot running in a secondary screen while working. And I doubt it'd be too hard to recruit a pixel-greedy Euro to help them cover that time.

Am I missing something? Wouldn't randomizing the IDOC process eliminate the possibility of bots being successful? Once that house goes IDOC, the person watching the screen has the advantage.

You might be right @Pirul. But they would have to boost their numbers, or invest more time somehow. And they would be attended ingame. Other players would have to deal with them face to face (well, you know what I mean).

The randomization of IDOCs is another topic that was talked in this thread about, too. Yeah, well, it certainly would lead to more camping hours in front of the screen. Or more people would have the chance to get loot by sheer luck.
But I am not sure, if I would like it. I can understand, that it should be profitable for people when they are doing stuff sophisticated (get the timers). Making it really random, increases the chances for everyone, but you destroy this "invest much time and have high skill to gain much" approach. I find the lottery gamble idea by the way annoying during the server annivesaries. Dyes and sandals that fetch 10mil+ are given out randomly and players that havent achieved anything except logging in become wealthy just by luck while others have to play weeks for that wealth. It would be the same case with IDOCs. Well roughly, Forts and Keeps would probably be perma camped. By the way, european players would profit the most from randomization and I still oppose it.

Forgot to reply to this, but my opinion is that, you surprised them. They were not ready to adapt/change to a random element of surprise which they kind of knew would not last. As for a change in how things work permanently? A permanent solution to counter that change.

It might. And I don't oppose it either. From my first serious post in this thread:

Again, just my opinion. I may be wrong, but I do belive this is something they would 100% do.

This is my sentiment exactly! People see the bots and think: "Oh, this takes no effort!", "They're playing easy-mode", "They're cheating". In reality, since they have never actually been part of the group, they don't know the amount of work it took to get to the "botting" stage. People seem to neglect the number of house signs actually clicked to get to this stage. But that is not seen, so...

I will never pardon anyone that clamors for change without attempting proficiency of the current process.

management 101

@Chris Okay, I will come back! I appreciate you taking the time to address my concerns. I still don't think randomizing IDOCs will generate a socialist paradise and I'm curious to hear more about the failed attempts. That being said, I am going to start confronting this challenge. There is a lot to be said about a game I played in the 90s and still beckons me to this day. I apologize for the way I phrased my first comments and the title of this thread. Looking back, I would've given much more appropriate considerations. Thanks to everyone who told me to stay, and to the people who called me a cry baby or flung salty trolls my way, I'll see you on the battlefield (Not yet though because I'm still pretty much a noob. But just you wait!!!)!

I'm so happy to see ^ that post.

good on ya m8... good on ya

Very glad you're staying! Stick it to the man!!

Good on you! Get at it, and best of luck. Let me know if I can help with anything in-game (Gestas on IRC and in game).

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Staring at a screen is not effort. At all. You can literally post up a secondary display while you watch Netflix.

Question:

Why is their afk check on house signs normally, but not with item-id? Intended or a bug? Curious, I don't idoc and really could care less.

You cannot "click" with razor, but you can with 3rd party programs. If you're "clicking" on a sign while afk, then you just gave away that you are in fact using an illegal 3rd party program.

This. Item ID on house signs should have AFK check