DPS Challenge

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  1. Keza

    Keza Renaissance Staff
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    Hello all, I have seen much debate in my time here about what PvM builds are best. The primary dispute comes down to who does the most damage. Is it a tamer with two dragons & a mare or maybe its an axer with a slayer of vanq? Many of us have seen these question asked, but the combat log on the test server does not track pets or provoked monster damage.



    Current DPS Leaderboard

    Eugen_________66.37 dps__4 mare + ebolt spam + discord
    Eugen_________59.28 dps__2 white wyrms + 1 mare + ebolt spam + discord
    Ron___________57.10 dps__4 mare + ebolt spam
    El Horno_______46.12 dps__2 dragons + 1 mare + ebolt spam + discord
    Eugen_________43.41 dps__2 dragons + 1 mare + ebolt spam + discord
    Keza__________38.50 dps__8 frenzied ostards + War Hammer of Vanquishing
    The Musician___26.79 dps__2 dragons + 1 mare
    Keza Fire______25.98 dps__7 Large Hell Cats
    The Musician___24.83 dps__2 white wyrms + 1 mare
    Keza Fire______24.75 dps__5 Large Hell Cats + Ebolt, bless, cure
    Keza Proto_____23.25 dps__4 good polar bears + Cutlass of dragon slaying
    Russel ________22.50 dps__2 dragons + 1 mare + agapite bow + str pot + agility pot
    Keza Ranger ___21.44 dps__7 scorpions + Bow of Vanquishing
    Keza Proto_____20.16 dps__4 Imps + Katana of Vanquishing + bless
    Keza__________20.30 dps__4 Drakes + War Hammer of Vanquishing
    a papuan tamer _20.09 dps__1 mare + 6 paladins (hired) + ebolt
    Keza Frost_____19.69 dps__5 Frost Spiders + scimitar of power
    Keza Fire______14.40 dps__5 Grizzly Bears + Ebolt, bless, cure
    Keza Axer _____13.50 dps__1 forest ostard + two handed axe of might and dragon slaying
    Keza Ranger ___12.00 dps__5 scorpions + bow of power
    Jupiter_________11.64 dps__8 paladins (hired) + bless + arch protect
    Keza__________10.54 dps__6 paladins (hired) + 2 fighters (hired)
    Keza Fire ______10.14 dps__5 Lava Lizards + Ebolt, bless, cure
    Keza Warrior ____7.50 dps__1 forest ostard + Short Spear of Power

    This Damage-Per-Second challenge will allow any and all players to measure the DPS of their characters / build. Below is a list of rules and how this works:

    Rules
    • You must kill dragons, no golden drags or other mobs. Why? because this DPS challenge is designed to evenly test all weapons, skills, pets, mages, and other. All dragons have an average of 810hp, 60armor, and high resist. Timed kills on other mobs will give very inaccurate DPS results compared to others.
    • You can only be doing damage with ONE character (one account). You cannot use other accounts to buff the main character, provoke mobs on their dragon, or assist in any DPS related way. Assisting accounts cannot debuff, paralyze, peace or effect the dragons in any way. You CAN use other accounts to heal your main character. Other accounts may also be useful in fighting off additional mobs in the area.
    • No staged fights... happen to find all ten dragons all at half health? NOT ALLOWED Provoking dragons on an Azure dragon or other boss one at a time while your tames pitch in for a little damage? NOT ALLOWED You may provoke multiple mobs on a dragon, but none can be more powerful than a dragon, you may argue whats more powerful. Keep in mind, the first provoked monster to hit the dragon starts the DPS clock.
    • Be as honest and accurate as possible with your kill-times.
    • I reserve the right to add/alter rules as needed.
    How it Works
    • Simple, kill ten dragons and time each kill!
    • See the chart below about calculating your DPS or watch the video.
    Dragon DPS Keza Ranger.jpg
    • Post what your characters build is in the following format (this format may change as needed):
    Character Name___ total average dps
    str/dex/int
    weapon used (no weapon) if none used
    average spells & number of uses per-fight (no magic) if none used
    number and type of pets used (no pets) if none used
    number and type of summons used per-fight (no summons) if none used
    list any potions or wands used
    character skills list

    Examples listed below:

    Keza Ranger___12.006 dps
    85/100/40
    +15 bow of power
    no magic
    5 scorpions (all trained) + mount
    no summons
    GM Archery, GM Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 55 Magery, 55 Taming

    Keza Warrior___7.505 dps
    100/100/25
    +20 Short Spear of Power
    no magic
    1 forest ostard (trained ossytank)
    no summons
    GM Fencing, GM Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 30 Magery, 80 Resist
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  2. Russell

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    Davian --- 22.5 (36 seconds per)
    100/100/25
    agapite bow (2 tiles away)
    no magic
    2 dragons, 1 mare (about halfish trained, anat only in 50s)
    no summons
    str pot, agility pot
    Taming / Lore / Archery / Healing / Anatomy / Tactics / Vet
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  3. MikeK

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    This basically juts confirms it. Was at taming quest fighting spectral bunnies. 5 frenzied ostards > 3 dragons.
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  4. El Horno

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    Mole__46.12 DPS
    100/24/100
    2 dragons, 1 mare
    ebolt spam
    animal lore, animal taming, discord, magery, meditation, music, vet


    I killed 20. Wind is a great place to do this, I just dragged the drakes away and you have this slow spawning dragon all to yourself 1 at 1 time.
    (time to kill)-(DPS)
    22.6-35.8
    19.4-41.7
    18.3-44.2
    22.2-36.4
    16.8-48.2

    19.0-42.6
    19.5-41.5
    20.3-39.9
    17.7-45.7
    15.8-51.2

    15.2-53.2
    16.3-49.6
    15.2-53.2
    18.0-45
    19.1-42.4

    15.6-51.9
    17.3-46.8
    20.4-39.7
    13.7-59.1
    14.9-54.3
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  5. The Musician

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    Ezzenglade 26.79 DPS(30.6 seconds per dragon)
    100/25/100
    none
    no mage
    2 dragons + 1 mare (all 5x - mage 80+)
    none
    none
    Animal Taming, Animal Lore, Magery, Resist, Wrestling, Veterinary, Meditation


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    ICY HOT(24.83 DPS(32.33 seconds per dragon)
    90/45/90
    none
    no mage
    2 white wyrms + 1 mare (all 5x mage 80+ STATS: Wyrm A.) 760 str 130 dex / Wyrm B.) 760 str 129 dex)
    none
    none
    Animal Taming, Animal Lore, Magery, Provo, Music, Veterinary, Meditation
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  6. MikeK

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    If I wasn't on my laptop, I'd test a tamer with evaluating intelligence ebolts. Thats what I'm most curious about. Also waiting for Lutz to post all his melee numbers!
  7. Keza

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    @El Horno , your ebolt spam destroys! Think you could list how many you got off per fight on average?
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  9. MikeK

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    I want to see him dump meditation and see how much additional DPS EI would do.
  10. Liberation

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    @Keza - neat idea. i wish we could be a little more sciencey about he whole thing but let's work with what we've got.

    yeah i suppose i would be concerned that @El Horno is dumping all of his mana and finishing as the dragon dies. perhaps a longer term test would show his ebolt spam as being less effective because of his having to meditate in between (and probably having to do so mostly passively, since he'll be veting hit pets).

    that being said, i wonder if trained WWs would rank more highly than dragons on this test because they have a more liquid mana pool. it is common knowledge that dragon dps will outlast WW dps (because of firebreath). it is for this reason, coupled with the fact that the mobs which you really want to rank highly on on the dps chart for are long-lived mobs, that most people use dragons.
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    Keza =)
  13. Eugen

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    Eugen 43,41dps / 59,28dps / 66,37dps
    100/40/85
    2x dragons, 1x mare / 2x wws 1x mare / 4x mares
    ebolt spam
    animal lore, animal taming, discord, magery, meditation, music, vet

    I tried three different setups in fire temple, which is also a nice location for a slow, single spawn dragon in a relatively small room. same syntax elhorno used, (time to kill)-(DPS). I wonder if a melee tamer with a nice slayer wep and 4 mares would do better. calling captain vella!

    2x dragons, 1x mare

    20-40
    21-38.57
    23-35.21
    22-36.81
    19-42.63
    18-45
    16-50
    17-47.64
    15-53.2
    18-45

    2x wws, 1x mare

    15-53.2
    14-57.85
    15-53.2
    12-67.5
    13-62.3
    14-57.85
    13-62.3
    12-67.5
    15-53.2
    14-57.85

    4x mare

    11-73.63
    12-67.5
    12-67.5
    11-73.63
    13-67.3
    12-67.5
    14-57.85
    13-62.3
    14-57.85
    11-73.63
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  14. El Horno

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    I NEVER left the spawn at wind, that was 20 successive dragons. Only twice was mana an issue when a dragon spawned like immediately after. Under diso, i pretty much don't need to heal. 2-3 vets and the dragon is 100% for the next spawn. I would get 3-5 ebolts off. I would personally NEVER do this for actual farming, but for DPS tracking purposes I figured ebolts would bump my dps up.
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  15. Wulver

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    4 mares + disco is probably the best combo I could ever pull off to mow down Blood eles.
  16. Keza

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    Lol, the dragon would die before all 8 frenzied could get to it. Also, @mikek85 I dont have an Axer/tamer to even attempt this, but I do encourage someone else to try!
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  17. Dalavar

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    This was basically the xmas instanced events. And it was awesome.


    As for this study, for non-boss enemies it depends on a number of factors. If you're only measuring the amount of time to kill the monster, you're missing stuff like how maneuverable you are. It is problematic with a pack of 8 hell hounds or frenzies.

    It also depends on whether your wyrms and dragons and nightmares ever run out of mana. When I did extended farming of elder gazers, my dragons would always run out of mana after a few minutes, so their DPS would purely be their melee and firebreath. In that case, frenzies would be better. But for those first few minutes, the dragon spells made them superior to a pack.
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  18. Bogugh

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    Eh, if it was simply fastest time to kill 10 dragons I'd be more interested. 4 frenzieds on each of 2 dragons.

    Macro:
    D follow C, C follow B, B follow A, A follow me
    and H follow G, G follow F, F follow E, E follow me

    Ostards on parade.
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  19. Keza

    Keza Renaissance Staff
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    @Dalavar I agree with all of this. I know you tried the 8 hell hounds build and I have tried the 8 frenzied. Bogugh's method works well for following but I still run into issues during combat trying to manage and move around with 8.

    Towards to topic raised by @Liberation about DPS over time. I considered this when making the test, but couldn't think of an "easy" uniform way for all players to show their results. The DPS challenge may not be perfect, but it has already proven a few things:
    • If you are willing to spam Ebolt at the risk of having low-no mana when a PK shows up, you can farm way faster.
    • 4 nightmares is looking to be the best "practical" tamer build for damage. I wont argue for frenzied ostards being better as they are more of a glass cannon build and cannot be practically used vs. bosses. (my fluffy kill was luck)
  20. The Musician

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    Would someone post the results for 4 mare combo with no magery/melee used?

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