Mining is so clunky

They have succeeded in making it hard to macro taming why not use similar steps to fix mining issues?

Sure you can afk tame but it's very inefficient compared to actual playing.

Be cool if somehow the yield was based on a mini game that came up in a gump.. something that required actual input and a human brain and could not be macrod. But what game..

Minesweeper?

If that's the metric of success you're using, so be it. From a user-of-ingots perspective, the experience is still really frustrating. Supply is greatly short of demand. And demand itself is really low since folks like myself have completely given up trying to flip BODs.

If you trust in your method of distinguishing between "travel mining" and "traditional mining", I think it would be great to increase the ingot yield from traditional mining. That's helpful to both new players and the BOD flippers of tomorrow.

The entire North Mines mountain range and Mt Kendall are the only places I mine (since Recall was disabled) and the only places I have ever manually mined with pack horses and walking.
If you'd please declassify my guild's home town and the place I've resided for the last 2.5 years as "remote/less traveled", I would greatly appreciate it.

I just don't mine any more unless I'm pulling up a shadow elemental to train my dragons with. My only actually sensible mining option is my battle miner, who is fun to play but certainly not my smithy in his blue newbie pants with a couple picks and a pack horse. :/

Yeah, um...about that. Basing the spawn on what you witness before you added the changes really doesn't add up right. No shit we were mostly recall mining there because it was the most efficient. I don't now because it's Recall blocked and I just stopped Recall mining because I didn't care to mod the macro to suit. Now when I go to mine my local mountains naturally, I'm totally screwed knowing there will ALWAYS be a golem in the three local caves to my homes. Mt. Kendall is the closest to the GZ so I'd not be surprised to see most traditional mining took place there previously.

All I'm suggesting is that those be turned off and only spawn when criteria is met, like Magery use or whatever trigger you can imagine might be viable for someone stripmining.


I just want to walk to the mine near my house and mine without %100 certainty that I will have to fight off a golem every 2 minutes, while using TRADITIONAL tools and methods.

I always mined with a last object/last target key, and just ran around holding down my f1 key. These new changes are so slow I'm not even going to make a miner (I can kill golems on another non miner char)


I really wish things would go back to where you could just mine mine mine without that annoying delay. If anything these changes killed the traditional miner and the recall miners still do what they do.

I don't even really mind the delay. I manually tap the Use shovel/target relative location macro key anyway.

So I exaggerated by a fair amount. The point is that I can't even kill the golem with an alt and come mine the cave out manually before another spawns in my face. Historically, I always understood the monsters outside the caves were a risk as I ran around digging but this is overkill. It's effectively killed cave mining the old fashioned way to have it perpetually spawning inside there. I'm forced to have an alt constantly on stand-by, or just play a battle miner full time. While I understand the intention of the changes, the bar was pushed too far in my opinion and mining traditionally is not encouraged but rather impeded, as a result.

I think the Cave Troll spawn was fine, if we could exchange it for that, without it spawning constantly. Having things spawn as a result of certain activities seemed more appropriate than a permanent crimp on the caves.

my brother and I joined here about ten days ago and immediatley started up a miner. Like many others we mained a miner/smith and both think mining is off here... It's just odd. It does seem to take way to long to clear a vein, veins drop way to much garbage, and having to carry combat skills on a mule character is really anoying. Not to mention killing the spawn... And If I wanted to do that I'd go do that, so....

I had gm'd mining on my usual mule toon, Vorador, but actually set it to "down" today. I'm making more money per hour just killing monsters and I don't have to worry about a pk coming through and having to recal away from a giant ore pile. I'm bummed though because mining is something I truly enjoy doing, it's usually relaxing, but the annoyances here add up and it's just no fun.

Hopefully some retuning will happen in the near future that will make mining the enjoyable task that I remember so fondly.

As someone else said this whining is done in love, we've moved on to other things in game and love the shard, staff and players we have met. Just missing our usual foundation tradesman to get us off the ground.

Hi and welcome to UOR ChrisL.

If you truly enjoy mining there are many places where you can mine safely.... All along Brit mountain, above the farm lands of West Brit.,
is all mining in protected area...There is also Cove which is inside protection. and in T2A is Deluccia. All mountain mining, no golems, no pkers .
To keep people from grabbing your large pile of ore, use a pack animal....In Cove you would have to gate one in, but Brit mountains and Deluccia both have nearby stables


hope this helps

Westra

Thanks Westra!

I will go back to it on a different character once we are better established and I appreciate your tips. I do stand by hoping that they take a second look at the golem situation and the amount of trash ore/time to mine a vein.

I did do some t2a mining and minoc (near town) mining last night and it was OK but the gold per hour seems a lot lower than I use to be able to produce back in the OSI days. Maybe its just because I am older now though and my hot key pressing skills have declined.

Seems like people above me spoke my mind. Just sayin I agree with all of the above

Okay, this thread has had me twitching but I wanted Hard data before I commented. In the "Go Old Days" you would be lucky to average 1-2k Ingots an hour. I just completed my 3rd Run and the average is over 6k Ingots per hour Smashing Iron Golems (Using Iron Shovels), This does NOT include the extra Colored ingots collected from Wild Spawn.

I'm sorry but with numbers like that, I think we have it pretty sweet here. Even with the Horribly Low (IMHO) price that the NPC's sell Iron at, you are still looking at 48k Gold per hour. I normally get 10gp per as I'm selling Mass amounts. People seem willing to pay more for Bulk loads as it saves them the time and energy to collect.

So while I think there are things that need fixing (Arms Lore and Smelting) this is not something that needs adjusting.

You're basing your conclusion off of using iron shovels... Go find colored shovels and try again, I think you're going to end up having a hard time just getting your hands on colored shovels alone. Nobody is having trouble buying iron, I can buy iron ingots from npc's at 8gp each if I needed it.

Colored ore is seriously lacking because miners are seriously lacking because mining is seriously wonky.

I have zero interest to mine because I consider it one of the least profitable aspects of this game (presently) if you factor in the time spent versus just farming monsters. I never got into smith bods because of the sheer amount of ingots you need to get anywhere in the bod game. You're almost required to have 3 smiths/tailors if you want to get far in the bod game just like you were almost required to have a trio of recall miners to feed your smith bods.

I just think that mining has been messed with so much now that it's really only lucrative to the Occlo gang (newbs) and a vet wouldn't really want to waste their time with it.

I always thought recall mining was fine the way it was. There were issues with people using a silly shovel trick or mining caves dry but it's always seemed to me that the fixes made along the way compare to a tourniquet used for a paper cut.

48k gold per hour? That may be true is iron gargoyle shovels were free, but they have a cost. Let's go with the bulk price of about 400 per and you are looking at 40k per hour. Then take into account the # of accounts and slayers neccesary to pull those numbers and you are looking at even less.

the amount of any color ore you can get per hour is crazy if you use your gargoyle picks instead of putting them in a box in your house, even if you buy them they are so cheap now its worth it.

With that said, there is something wrong with the item delay. I have a pretty good memory and I have never played this game and not been able to open a target cursor while the mining animation is still playing and slightly start mining the next swing before the animation finishes, so there is something wrong with it. Maybe it needs to be 750ms not 1250ms.

The correct mining delay = being able to mine at a speed where the animation either looks like it is seemless or barely stops for like 10ms between two tool uses, this is of course using last object and manually targeting like I have always done and will always continue to do, because I actually enjoy playing the game.

Other than this I could care less about any other mining changes, mining delay feels wrong because it is wrong, period.

I agree the use delay seems fairly out of whack. When mining with a simple use pick/target relative location macro, it definitely doesn't feel like it used to, here or any other shard I've mined.