Peace's Peaceful Discussion of Desired Housing Changes

Ok, I swear to the almighty Telamon, if this devolves into a bitch and moan session, I will hunt down the lot of you in game & have your posts deleted..... Don't bring your problems, bring a SOLUTION. if you cant, wont or don't , then do not be surprised if I report your post for deletion... Looking for ideas, don't like an idea, propose your own, don't beat up the person who posted something you didn't like

There is No GOOD time to address current house hoarding, implement house limits and such. other than when the server first opened. The next best time is with a major Land expansion....where folks can make their OWN choice

I am recommending to Staff that one or more of the following ideas be considered and implemented if/when the next land rush/expansion comes about:​

1. Want a house in the new Forge Lands? You can have it but all houses on that acct go condemned, you have 3 months to sort them out. House limits on your other accts are instantly grandfathered... ​
2. Implement Condemned Status. This dead horse has been beaten into a fine pulp that has sprayed every where.​
3. Grandfather Housing limits & set a new max limit of 3 per account.​
4. If doing #3, package with #2 - @Poogoblin ​
5. Incentivize players to self limit to a single house @Earsnot *multiple incentive ideas​
6. Point system to spend on house slots... bigger houses cost more points etc... @Pedigar @One and others​

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Highly reasonable, you have my support for all three of these ideas, with no alterations demanded.

Extremes on both sides of the issue are blind and unproductive.

Great ideas, great writeup.

They all seem reasonable to me, I just want to chime in that:

I feel you need to package #2 and #3 together as don't think you can implement #3 without implementing #2 (though I suppose you could do #2 without #3 so maybe, nm). Otherwise we're still in the holding pattern of the older folks having their 5 grandfathered houses refreshed while people who either chose not to have 5 houses per account/new players are the ones being restricted.

Earsnots ideas:


- An incentive to only own 1 house per account.
Not a limit. You can still do it, but rewarding people for NOT house hoarding should be a priority.
Incentives like:
You’ll earn tripple platinum on an account with 1 house.
Blessed keyring purchasable from the reward store non transferable/usable to an account that has more than 1 house.
Increased lockdown slots on properties.
Deco items.
All non transferable.

- The ability to place homes over non movement blocking items balanced by double speed decay for building on an unstable foundation.

- More rewards like the moonglow wind tunnel in Les’ glow L Tower, the OS Stable and Wispelt deco available to existing players.

- New “town” add ons the same footprint as existing homes that you could switch your properties too to create player towns. For example a stable the same size as a small house that you can add a stable master too that you’ll pay for with plat. OR a duel pit the same size as a large brick so that players could create their own FUNCTIONING areas on plots they already own. Instead of dead, unusable, but pretty looking homes.

- CUB rewards being implemented.

Excellent ideas, I think these are friggin' awesome and another set of balanced solutions to this problem. Removed one.

Good ideas, but a secondary discussion IF/When incentives becomes a solution Staff is willing to consider

As much as I love hearing my own voice you should quote the post I replied to, not mine.

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Love these ideas all around. My only comment would be that they each require, what I imagine to be, fairly substantial dev. work - so probably a good long-term fix, but in the short-term, maybe not realistic. I believe @Chris has mentioned that condemned status is basically coded, so I would see that as an easy short-term fix, with a long-term goal of moving toward some of the above ideas.

-Someone mentioned a "point system" somewhere in the forums before, where you have a certain limit of housing points. Larger houses are a greater number of points and smaller houses were lower points. Can't remember who said it, but tag whoever it was if you know.

-definitely condemned status!!!! Don't be afraid of it. Give a gump with plenty of notice on startup. Then, after a good grace period (at least a month), turn it on. If houses fall because of that, so be it. Exceptions only for special circumstances: deployment, sickness, etc. There is absolutely no reason, at all, for this to not be turned on.

@One

I think 3 houses / account is plenty and if you have more your account is temporarily grandfathered to allow for it. That being said, if you have say 5 houses, and transfer / drop / sell one of them, now your account is stuck at 4 houses -- you will not be allowed to place another house to go back up to 5.

Triple plat might be a bit much for incentivizing 1 house / account, ~100 plat a month between your accounts could fubar plat prices pretty quick. The incentive also needs to be met with some prerequisites... like, you need to be 1 house / account every day for 2 months to kick in... this will prevent house swapping around accounts to make sure everyone "qualifies" for that month.

Which brings up other issues like the lack of new platinum rewards (such as moats) in the last half-decade.

no no no.. we are not bringing up other issues

So you like #3 and #5

I'm a huge proponent of #2 also. Condemn the houses of those not still playing here.

#5 isn't a bad idea, but if we're down to 3 houses / account, we wouldn't need to worry about the points as much.

#1 shouldn't be as much of an issue if we're down to 3 houses / account and all that space has been opened up by condemned housing.

One reason I have heard for the need to have LOTS of houses and large ones is to support or have a Guild HQ.... Ideas on how to account for this without everyone running out to buy a guild stone deed and avoid reasonable housing restrictions

What is the main problem?

1. Too many houses that are left un-used?

2. Fear of opening new lands to the same unusued housing landscape?

To me, the only way to solve these issues is restricting housing to 1 per account and non-account owners cannot refresh other houses.

Until those two things are implemented, we'll always find unused houses taking up plots.


*edited to keep on topic of solutioning, not calling out others

*** Sidetrack, lets stay focused ***

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I like the idea of the point based system, However I don't think that's possible.

Going down to 3 houses per account seems reasonable although, I'm not entirely sure the problem is that active players have too many houses
(I know of a few that do have too many!)

I agree that condemned housing is the first step, and it would need to be a staggered condemnation of the housing as I personally know of 3-4 players who are refreshing around 20-50 properties each.

[Condemned]

Whatever jack Nicholson said up top smoking a blunt i agree...

Or Jill Stihls idea of fort will = 5 L shape 2 etc etc.