Poll: Recall from runebook 100% regardless of magery skill.

Discussion in 'Era Discussion' started by wylwrk, Apr 1, 2016.

With 11 int and 0.0 magery skill using a charge from a runebook in player's backpack is 100%

Poll closed Apr 15, 2016.
  1. Yes

    41.9%
  2. No

    58.1%
  1. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

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    I'll reserve my personal motivations and encourage open discussion of both pros and cons to the proposal.


    Thank you
  2. scuba

    scuba Well-Known Member
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    No and I will give you my reasons.

    Reasons.
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  3. Blaise

    Blaise Well-Known Member
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    I wouldn't be opposed to it so long as you mean requiring scroll-charges in the book to do so. You already have some level of success recalling from a scroll with 0 Magery, it wouldn't ruin the game to allow 100% success when using a resource in a book, in my opinion.
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  4. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

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    Yes that's correct, requiring a recall scroll AND in a book as a charge.
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  5. newme

    newme Well-Known Member

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    As long as it doesn't involve a great deal of coding, I can't see how this would have an adverse affect on game play, so yes. Not a bad idea

    :)
  6. BlackEye

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    No. Everything has it's trade off. You want something, you have to invest something. And in this case, 100% recall success has its need of 50.1 magery in combination with scrolls.
  7. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that. I really do.

    I'll chime in later next week.
  8. One

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    Why anyone would ever make a character with no magery other than a thief or roleplayer is utterly inconceivable to me and that sucks.

    Absolutely support 100% success on runebooks. Really cannot understand why the rest of you don't.

    If there were ANY reason to play a non-mage competitively I would feel differently. As I see it there is none. I am in favor of anything that provides benefits to dexxers.
  9. Kane

    Kane Well-Known Member
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    Provo dexxers for instance ironman typically have 0 magery, and I would enjoy having 100% recall success while playing him, it's a real burden to have to click that scroll 40x while holding last target
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  10. Gideon Jura

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    Maybe to make it not bother people so much.. have it take like 6 seconds to cast or something?

    (in the specific situation that you are casting off the charged book with less than 50 magery)
  11. Fraggle

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    I agree with Kane. Clicking a recall scroll 40x is a HUGE PITA. I voted yes because....well because!
  12. Zyler

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    I disagree. To read a scroll successfully you should have some level of magery.
    http://www.uorenaissance.com/info/Magery

    Consider someone with no electrical engineering experience reading plans. They wouldn't know symbols, etc. However someone with elementary knowledge would understand the basics of the plans.
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  13. Peon

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    I would enjoy it because it is a convenience to me, but I don't think it is very UO accurate. I mean the server is "History Perfected," but I really think it needs to be looked at from a balance perspective. Why not raise the total skill cap by 33(100% success with recall.) Being able to only 6x a dexxer then have a little magery and 70 of another skill, or not gming a few things and having to balanced skills doesn't exactly compare to a 7x mage. By increasing this cap by 33. It would allow dexers to 7x+magery. While also giving any other class some sort of small buff as well.

    Another alternative would be to no longer link recall to magery. Instead link recall to spirit speak causing all classes to need a 33 skill. As far as the explanation behind this skill, say, "You commune with the spirits and they allow to you travel instantly across the plains of trammel" or something like this. This would give global balance to all classes, because the reality is, having magery linked to recall is a signifigant advantage to the classes that use magery already as their combat skill. The only problem with this is the gate spell, it would be unreasonable to require a higher spirit speak than this because of how many skill points it would take. So instead it would require a combination of the current skill needed in magery, and the 33 spirit speak needed to be able to gate. It could say something like "You cause a temporary rift in the spirit world of trammel that allows you to travel unharmed."

    Oh I voted yes. 70 hiding sux just let me gm it.

    Also I on OSI weren't runebooks always blessed or was this changed before our era.
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  14. Xegugg

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    I'd like the re-stealth after 10 steps removed if recall ever gets this fix.
  15. von Stuben

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    There are plenty:
    Pure bards
    Thief dexxers
    Dex trackers

    I do not support this change, as I know it's a pain in the ass to click the recall scroll 30 times, but as BlackEye stated, there is a give and take. I'd rather click the 30 times than give up 20 points in tracking or hiding.

    If you really want to stop, drop something for a few points in magery..... get creative.

    Also, Zyler's argument is spot on:

  16. Alice Asteroid

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    Yeah, sure, who cares. Mages get so many benefits on a shard like this, does it really matter if other people can recall?
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  17. Heretic

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    No.

    Once I suggested "100% chance of copying house keys while in a house you own with 0% Tinkering", something that I feel is far less intrusive (even less intrusive than 100% DH with door status with 0% DH in a house you are only friend) than this proposal and got rekt on #Renaissance.

    So, let's keep the coherence.
  18. BetaMovement

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    To me, this shard seems to be a tamer's and mage's paradise. I am completely for making transportation of non mage/taming characters easier to get around the world. I would rather restock a rune book on occasion with recall scrolls then have to continuously re-click a scroll 30 times just to achieve in getting somewhere. I would also rather not spend skill points in magery when I really dislike that playstyle.

    As an addition to this idea, can we also make it 100% fizzle proof to get around with gate scrolls. That way tamer's wouldn't have waste skill points in magery to gate pets around. They could spend points on other taming skills and become even more unbalanced and uber to the nonlike playstyles.
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  19. One

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    I see what you mean but:

    Pure bards - I tried working a bard with dex and I found it much less useful than just slapping mage, eval, medit on the character. Why mosh in the pit when you can conduct from the podium?

    Thief dexxers - Lots of issues with thieving covered elsewhere but I did mention thief as the one legitimate use of dexxers outside of RP contexts and instanced events.

    Dex tracker - What do you do with such a character?

    What I'm saying is: No template without magery would seem to offer much in terms of effective PvM or PvP. I'm not a good PvPer so I'm not trying to cite myself as an example but I think pretty much everyone here would agree on the following:

    Tamers rule PvM, bards are a distant second.

    Mages rule PvP, more often stun mages or healers than tactical mages.

    Thieving is difficult and fraught with excessive limitations.

    And other than that there is no reason to play a character with no magery except in instances. Outside of specialized events, playing a character without magery is roughly the equivalent of writing letters with a quill pen. The kind of thing one would only do for the retro charm.

    In terms of Zyler's point - Yes that's very logical and resonates. But in a game with bandages that heal poison and axes that give people concussions (not to mention spidery man beasts and sentient balls of light) how are you going to draw the line on a magic book that responds to a specific command issued in "Lord British's English" as opposed to the runic tongues?

    Considering all the things magic can do here why is the idea of a book that responds to simplified commands the red line?
  20. Blaise

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    Well, I personally enjoyed my Sword/Parry/Archer on UOSA. There's several reasons to not play with Magery, the primary one being because you don't have to. I wouldn't care if this never got implemented, but it would be a nice thing for folks that aren't all about the status quo.
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