Hello, I'd like to give some friendly advice to this guild. Take it for what it's worth. What I say is being said with the knowledge that Mes and TT are going to read this and get some amusement from it. I am attempting to be a little discerning. 1) This guild's only real obstacle has only really ever been, it should be obvious, Team Trammel (TT): Mes, Les Claypool, Blaise, PuntSpeedChunk, Napo, and whoever else. This post from Marine about "everyone is welcome, even reds" is, IMO, absurd and spineless. The only reds that threaten a guild that has grown as large as PwN is TT and if you think they are not going to PK you whenever they are in the mood, you are seriously deluded. This is the fact: they will attack you when it amuses them to do so no matter what Mes tells you, and if they can't kill you due to your numbers, they will show up on their blues and "leech" platinum or grief the spawn. You are nothing but sheep to them. Your only purpose is to entertain them with your losses or inflate their e-peens and/or kill counts. Some of you have been talking about forming a PVP guild. I hope you all, especially the PVP veterans from Atlantic, do it together. I'm not sure if Stranger or Sunshine are really going to form a new guild, but I hope if they do, you will either join them or work with them. You'll want to at least be able to match TT's numbers, and probably excel them until you've polished off the PVP rust. It doesn't matter if you stay in PwN or form another champ guild. TT will be a problem for you either way, and I am not blaming them or flaming them. This is UO, not Minecraft. Either way, if you want to do champ spawns, either do it in remote locations as quietly as possible, or grow some balls. Fight off their reds and when they come in on their blues at the last minute to get free platinum, kill them with your reds or wait until the very moment they start blasting the champ and take counts on them. Coordinate doing this every time they appear until your counts are full and, though it might not ultimately stop them, it will annoy the shit out of them. Also, target Mes (aka Soul Harvester aka Roland aka Cuthbert aka Dangeresque (I think)) first if you can. Trust me, it will make a difference in the long run. Disclaimer: this is the direct opposite of what your new guildmaster wants and is just my opinion 2) This business about Mes having spies in the guild. This is a tight knit server. You don't have to even try to put "spies" in a guild to have spies in a guild, especially one as large as PwN is/was. There are a lot of people on good terms with TT, i.e. Bart, Kali, probably quite a few others, and word often gets spread indirectly. I seriously doubt you can go off and form another guild with open, even if it is selective, recruitment, and not have your business get out. Be smart about it. If you want to find out who is talking, you'll need to plant information and do process of elimination. Most likely, I would like to suggest, TT is not getting its information from spies as much as the "grapevine" and just scouting around. Which isn't to say they don't have tight friends in PwN, but that the larger problem might be your giant footprints. 3) Good luck! This guild helped me get established tremendously and has been a lot of great fun. No matter where yawl go or what guild you form, it's been a blast. (not quitting, just saying in case I get kicked or PwN fragments) 4) Moo.