Risk vs. Reward and the different templates

but why?

Decay could work. I would not be against 'paying' ~5k per pet death, but approaching the other numbers we were talking about would completely nullify the bonding expansion.

I am not glad that you are withdrawing from the conversation. I agree that tamers are both too powerful and don't carry enough risk currently, I just don't agree that bonding should be effectively removed.

Alright I'll put it in another term. Tommy sells apples next door for fifty dollars an apple. Your other neighbor sally will give them to you for free or let you pick them. How much is an apple worth? Maybe the reasonable answer isn't free, but it's definitely not fifty dollars either. I think the argument that bonding your pet costs 240k is greatly exaggerated to support the posters argument. Yeah you can pay that much if you try, but you overpaid and so its a shitty figure you used for an academic discussion.

I don't think removing risk from everybody else is an acceptable answer to the issue that tamers need more risk.

Kane, we lost power in a storm for about 6 hours, so all I had was my phone and some time! FREE TOM BRADY!!!

Just because Sally gives YOU free apples doesn't mean she'll give me free apples. She could have sold them to me for fifty dollars. So while you got them for free, she lost fifty dollars.

I found pet stat loss to be a meaningful risk. And certainly the shard's resident party-poopers feel like it's discouraging, since you see/hear stories all the time of them sticking around after a player kill to facilitate pet death as well.

You know, this is an extremely basic concept so I think you're just being stubborn. Let's say you need to gas up your car today Dalavar. The gas station down the street has a sign that says 10 dollars per gallon. You buy it. Does gas in the US now cost 10 dollars per gallon retail? No. You can't use that as an argument for gas prices being 4x what they were yesterday. Most gas stations are charging 2.50. That's hyperbole. It was an outlier.

150k per bond slot is something only a select few people pay. 30k per peculiar meat is only something a select few people pay. Yes you can find an example of that in a trade forum sale. That doesn't mean you can use those numbers to prove a point about how much it costs to bond dragons.

willful ignorance is really annoying

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So.... your saying 150k per slot is an outlier?
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Http://uorforum.com/threads/iagos-t...pm-est-slots-starting-150k.11634/#post-100870
http://uorforum.com/threads/iagos-t...4-00pm-est-slots-start-150k.11524/#post-99654
http://uorforum.com/threads/zookeepers-quest-s-this-weekend-150k-per-bonding-slot.11352/#post-98690
http://uorforum.com/threads/iagos-t...bonding-slots-start-150k-ea.11299/#post-97213
http://uorforum.com/threads/iagos-t...ots-available-starting-150k.11172/#post-95827
http://uorforum.com/threads/taming-...m-est-tickets-starting-150k.10586/#post-90387
http://uorforum.com/threads/taming-...ing-150k-sunday-6-7-4pm-est.10521/#post-89778

willful ignorance is really annoying

Fin, Kane probably means for every boss that spawns, he has pulled 1-2 slayers from the mobs that he was farming to get that boss to spawn. Not that each boss drops 1-2 slayers, directly. I think he might be exaggerating slightly but I don't farm as much as he does. I also don't like that he gave up on farming with his LJ because the tamer is the way to g

That said, I'm fairly certain I agree with almost everything Mes, napo and Kane have said in this thread. I don't think reducing everyone's risk is the answer, short of reducing the value forced on slayers due to rarity. I don't think it's easy to put a real number on pet bonding because I have also paid very little for the majority of my bonding needs. I think I bought a few bank-sit slots for shits and giggles. Hence the bonded eagle on Blaise and two bonding slots on my crafter.

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Have you paid 150k for each of your bondling slots? Can you tell me the average you paid in gold for your total bonding slots, el horno?

As I just said - yes you can find a trade forum post where someone sells a bonding slot for 150k. The trade forum is a place where you find people selling things. A great amount of bonding slots don't go to the trade forum.

I got my bonding slot for free! My horse bonded the second time I fed it! Do we need to feed pets?

My average is between 100-150k. I have only gotten a few for free.

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Okay I concede.

For what it's worth I have seven extra bonding slots and have never paid a dime. I would never pay 240k to bond a dragon. That's crazy talk to me. I watched Valori Vinyl give out 5 slots for free last night. He only charged one player. I've had no less than three slots offered to me in the last week for free - and two more people that haven't run their quest yet but already offered. Perhaps the difference is I'm part of a community. I don't know. If Basoosh and El horno have had to pay 150k per extra bonding slot that they have I'll just say - I'm shocked guys. I know you are parts of big tamer guilds and have plenty of friends. I guess it's a different world for you but if you say you're averaging 150k per slot then that's fine.

Basoosh if you need a bonding slot or peculiar meat I'd be glad to get you those things.

I guess I am not that liked. I've paid mindless, bog, amfekk, and countless other friends for slots. That said it has been a long time since I needed a slot so maybe today's landscape is different.

I'm relatively new to the server and have pretty much spent 75% of the coinage I've saved on bond slots and pec meat (@ the prices mentioned).

I generally have considered myself fortunate to get one of those 150k slots, since they fill up fast...

So, if anyone is giving out free blond slots, I'd love to get in line Venezuela style for one.

Hell yea, I'll take free bonding slots! I still need 2 to get the polar bear army bonded.

Dalavar's suggestion for a weapon bond quest will just benefit dexers. What about bards? What about people who love armor?

I suggest instead to remove bonded pets and introduce a "personal bless deed" this can be used on any item or 1 pet (making the pet function as bonded) and cannot be transferred or sold. For a large sum it can be re-deeded/re-used to a new/different item or pet and resetting the status on the former item/pet.

People also paid

Siege Blessing Perfected (tm)

Agreed btw, otherwise, remove all blessing/bonding of anything that can be used outside of fashion.

I am working a tamer now. "Relatively" new to shard.... It seems like the only viable PVM template because of all the perks of bonding. In my opinion which probably isn't popular I don't think pets should be bondable. I don't remember this mechanic, but maybe it came after I left the game.
It's just doesn't put much risk on the side of being a tamer. Your pet dies.... It loses some skill.... You get it back. No big deal.

Your Mage dies you lose some regs.... No big deal...

Your dexxer dies.... You lose absolutely everything and have to hope to stumble upon another rare drop.