*Now w/more DOUCHEBAGGERY!* Friday Night Fights #21 (2-12-16 @ 11PM EST)

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lol you clowns, the "idea" that you outnumber people is based on you outnumbering people regularly for the better part of a year. There were some fun times with the glorious Minax zerg but it gets pretty boring when it's just seeing how many times we can stat your tames. I had some fun for an evening or so, but otherwise meh. I have never had any allusions about forming a great military force in video games. I like to rally with folks and go fight people when I have a mind to. I don't really care for dealing with a bunch of petty liars who cannot accept their own MO when it so clearly involves coming with greater numbers or not coming at all or very long. By the way, considering comprehension is never your stronger suits, I'm not saying you've never fought outnumbered. I just know from your own mouths that you don't want to and will scoot from any seriously lopsided battles, which is in your right.

You guys do realize that I actually experienced this from the inside too, right? Like I was actually there in voice channels when one person would say they encountered one orange and various people would be asking "Where" so they could roll in the zerg.

Sorry you guys take such offense to people actually seeing the numbers you claim you don't have. But hey, keep up the nice work "attending" all these shard events. You guys really do put your best for forward at these things. Unfortunately it tends to wind up in your mouths. (see above).

No this is just your usual bullshit. You advocate for your team at all times and you, as usual, and have no problem being completely dishonest in doing so. I don't avoid battles because of numbers. That last time you came to the field we had 5 players to your 10-12 the entirety of those morning hours. I watched you form up at the google tower, knowing you doubled our numbers, and we beat your ass every time. Because manpower is not the key to winning.

Minax has manpower. You were putting 100+ manhour defenses into both the times you captured sigils (which is four times the man-hours we've put in a defense ever.) This isn't an efficient way to wage war. I would never ask more people to guard sigils than is needed. We recognized early on minax had more than three times our total membership. So losing a sigil capture was something we had to be flexible on. We would win when a win was possible and we would retreat and take a loss when it was the only option (fortunately this only happened twice.) Each time we talked at length about what we could do better and what strategies worked best/worst for us and Minax.

Sun Tzu was crediting with writing:

All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

How many times have you guys shown up to steal sigils at what appeared to be an empty SL base, just to find us cutting off the exit while you're purple and can't recall and dying down to the man? How many times have you stepped through a teleporter and found us all standing on the other side, loaded? How many times have you been guarding a set of sigils and it seemed that noone was coming and then in an instant we were in the base and taking out your mostly-afk defense?

We have few rules in SL and TT. We don't attack our own members. We don't form alliances with oranges. We make some effort to not attack the weak. Factions and O/C is something we treat as an asymmetrical war simulator. If someone joins a faction that is new to the server I always contact Telamon and ask him to visit the person in game and offer them a chance to leave the system and join at a later date. For established oranges we come down on them like the Mongols. It's not possible to both conquer an enemy and win their favor at the same time, and we'll never try. If we attacked with more numbers you'd complain about that. If we used less numbers you'd say we had tamers. If we didn't have tamers you'd say we had daemons. If we didn't have daemons you'd say we had the same name. Or traps, or attacked when you weren't ready. Or any number of excuses. Yet you'd never have any problem using these strategies against us (and you have used every single one of them.) Because people want to win. There is no point where you'd feel you lost fair and square. The goal posts would always be moved because you're immature and you're a sore loser.

Plus you're a shit pvper and act like a big baby at all times. After three years of this shit you still need to just shut up and fight.

No staff action was taken because at no time was any rule in the code of conduct broken.

One guy killed another guy.

This isn't harassment. This isn't ruining an event (which also isn't in the code of conduct, by the way.)

It's not illegal to gate fish. A gump was put in the game specifically to warn players in this situation. At the event in question the KoS and -S- players were all surrounding their event gate with ebolts up hoping to catch Punt. This is the exact same thing.

The difference between the way TT players respond to these situations and the way others respond to these situations is we don't look for staff to intervene on our behalf when completely normal and legal things happen. I was attacked by Deathboy at every single -S- Fight Night last year. I never lodged any complaint or asked staff to help me. We recognize the risk associated with logging in. The UOR website is very clear: "Keep in mind that Ultima Online is a very dangerous world. Lord British provides guards for our residents while they are within town limits, however, safety is in your own hands."

The problem in this thread is as an administrator Telamon should neither take sides in pvp rivalries nor be a soundboard for venting players. He should investigate things that break rules and stop there. Making vague threats suggesting you'll take some action if players on one side of a fence feel discouraged is ridiculous. You appear less credible and less impartial every time you do this.

Player run events have been disrupted many times. Even as a staff member sandro killed peoples' mongbats at the cA Mongbattle. Peeps wedding was bombed. PS! dungeon crawls were attacked. Never has a player been punished because these things were completely within the rules of the server. If you wish to set a new precedent about player events then you need to update the code of conduct and be very clear and not vague about how these new rules would work. Then you would need to enforce them fairly, across the board and not just for some players.

Otherwise, expect these kinds of things to continue to happen. Which is fine. I never saw Jupiter have a fit when reds showed up to his events. He knew the possibility and embraced it wholly. Every time reds showed up they found themselves in his story later that night. Everyone, take note.

We simply play the game like anyone else. In the events of this thread, Punt and I were casually watching fight night on friday like anyone else and during bart's match he said "I think i'm going to kill bart." It wasn't premeditated. There wasn't anything illegal about it (and if it had been premeditated, it would have still been within the code of conduct.) It didn't ruin an event nor did it seek to. It was blown completely out of proportion.

It was a two way street. And it was started by the other party. But here you are condemning only one side. Who cares at what point someone logged in to IRC to respond? I for one stay out of IRC because we are harassed by your friends and you aren't capable of fairly enforcing the trash talk rules. It was easier for us both for me to leave the public channels so that they weren't flooded by iago and izzy 'sperging out every day.

Stop taking sides. You're an admin. We don't need deus ex machina on this server every time bart gets in a jam. Let him own his behavior too. I have owned mine. We've made no excuse nor denied killing him at the event. It was legal. You know it. You watched it.

How would you possibly determine the difference unless you got a verbal statement from the player saying "yes I only logged on to do X action to anger X person/s"?

This is your server thus making you the end all be all dictator, but excuse me for being a little paranoid given your extreme and obvious dislike for TT members. I'm sure any excuse would do at this point for you to ban any one or all of us simply because we did something you or someone else didn't like.

None of the things listed happened, yet you are still here rattling your saber at us for some vague reason. Can't really blame people for being confused.

fix stealing?

I think you forgot this is my thread now.

FOFUXSAKE!


What Punt did at the event was no more than a "meh ... what a dick... btw, lol" moment.
What's god damn criminal is you all droning on and on and on and on about it.





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Yet here you are at bat. All you needed to do was say you watched it, nothing illegal happened, and move on. You can't possibly think you've found yourself on the other end of a quote war without picking a side.

Well, you aren't being clear enough for me. What I read is vague threats like 'encouraging players to leave' for vague offenses like 'logging on solely for the intent of discouraging player events' which is not something you could ever suss out and requires a lot of interpretation. If no rule was broken, and you have not made any action (which of course you haven't because no rule was broken) - then kindly step out and act like a game master should. If you intend to change the rules of the server then state this clearly and update the code of conduct - and enforce it across the board.

If my post was edited, it was prior to anyone reading it and was only to fix some misspelling or grammar mistake I noticed while proof-reading. Here is how the post appears to myself and non-administrators:



If you are trying to imply that I said something else and then tried to change the message then that's untrue.

You have no way to know this or prove this. It was never implied or said elsewhere and it simply isn't true. This is why you can't take sides and look professional at the same time.

I will thank you to not imply that we did any of these things. The underlined part is especially ludicrous. You are creating a shadowlords strawman to fit your narrative like some sinister cartoon villains: as if our only goal is to have our army of Dank Nuggets tread upon the detritus of a failed server, past the ruins of the hopes and dreams of law abiding roleplayers, like some explorers making their way through a britain destroyed by calamity.

Our players are husbands and wives and engineers and lawyers and grocers and parents. They are the server's roleplayers and event hosters and new player assisters and they have been here for every moment of the server's history loyally. And you will not typecast us. You will not create some box and label it and put us inside. I don't care if you're the administrator. I know you and do not fear you. The shadowlords are as much good people as anyone else.

Killing a guy at a tournament might not be a classy move, but it is legal and does not ruin the tournament. There's no reason for the server to fall to pieces for it. Ten pages of extreme drama and accusation over one action is insane.

Can't say I'm very comfortable with these rules with a frame of mind element built in, Telamon. It looks to me like you're trying to set some of your double standards in stone.
When someone you like does something, using the rules, you can easily make excuses for them about how they didn't mean it. When one of us does something, you can go on about how it was malicious and they were targeting staff.

If you want to get rid of us, just be a man about it and pull the trigger. Setting up some special princess double standard rules is a really weak way to go about it.

I figure this level of insanity is because certain members of stormhold are threatening to stop running the event and/or pack up stormhold and leave the server, and you're afraid of losing the one part of the community that isn't greedy, assholes, or greedy assholes.
Where were you when the people you are now defending were shitting on paws events? Where were you when greedy idocers and house looters were taking them for everything that they had? They're pretty much gone now and don't really have anything to come back to. I did not hear a peep from you when all this was happening, but here you are, a single guy is killed at a stormhold event one time, and the sky is falling and you're threatening people with bans.