House refreshing by friends

So I'd like to talk about making houses so after a certain time they become condemned unless the house owner refreshes them. While it's admirable to attempt to hold a place for someone until and if they come back, I think it also provides an op for people to keep houses from dropping long past when they should have *cough Blaise, cough cough, Infantry's small tower by skara gate, cough cough*


Anyhow, letting them be refreshed eternally by non owners doesn't seem right. I wondered what you guys thought.

According to the Compendium, this is already supposed to happen

^I don't think that condemned status feature is active for whatever reason.

Condemned status is not active right now. Take a look at a snippet from a morning fireside chat with Telamon:

Erlkonig: Bringing back condemned status might help. Currently its possible to place a house, co own all your characters and then delete the house owner, make a new character, and place another house. Or am I wrong about that?
~Telamon: Timelord we are jsut talking about acccount limits and abuse
You cannot refresh it in that situation I believe Erl
Timelord_Work: I know I hear ya but to ban someone who takes a break or doesnt play for awhile is silly
Tsarkon: i don't think a house without an owner can be refreshed
~Telamon: As the house is moved to the next character on the account
if there are no characters left, it decays
Erlkonig: ok
~Telamon: That aside the condemed system needs work, its one of those many things that RunUo is supposed to have, but does not
Again, another situation where we can punish players if we are not careful
Erlkonig: Still there are houses being refreshed where the house owner hasnt logged in for years
~Telamon: Sure, and how many players might use a house that someone else owns?
Tsarkon: that also doesn't sound right
~Telamon: Would they be happy to log in one day and find its gone
WestraAFK: isn't that the exception Erlkonig
Tsarkon: if the owner doesn't log in doesn't the house decay regardless?
LiTH: yeah I share a tower.. that would suck.
Tsarkon: as in you can only refresh someone else's house for so long?
~Telamon: Yes, friending/co-owners would cease to be able to refresh a house if the owner has not logged in xx days
Erlkonig: I think over the course of a year you could find a new house =-)
~Telamon: Most likely we will impletely the system soon, but older houses with be grandfathered
Youd be surprised Erl
Im not a fan of house hoarding, but punishing players for the greater good is never a good way to go

In other words, don't count on the numerous dead houses with friends to actually drop

I have mixed feelings on this subject.

On one hand I don't want to lose a player if they couldn't keep their houses up and friends aren't able to continually refresh them. Sometimes life happens, sometimes it's for an extended period of time, and sometimes we can't immediately log on to explain to Telamon that we need help. I was hospitalized two months ago with a sudden illness, not bad thankfully, but bad enough that I couldn't stop home to send out a few PM's just in case I was there for 2 weeks. Some people also go to jail, are suddenly deployed (which is what I think may have happened to Infantry), or other major shit in life happens. @amfeKk got a job that required him away from the game for 6 months, he friended all of us and we kept his only house refreshed until his return, I don't think this is unreasonable.

On the other hand there are the guys who haven't played here for years and either have friends still refreshing for them or log on to refresh out of spite or whatever. If you've moved on then allow the server to move on as well.

I don't agree with a narrow condemned feature. 90 days isn't enough. I would say 6 months at the very least. Keep in mind that this doesn't prevent friends with account access from circumventing this feature. So it's not the end all be all that some of you are expecting.

Infantry is not in the military anymore.

I won't be refreshing that house forever. I have a time frame in mind that I will allow, but it's not a long time.

Rest assured though, when it drops, I'll know the exact timer and I won't be alone. That and if there is any potential opposition, I'll just click the sign again.

Yeah I wasn't dragging you into it as an attack, that spot in particular just made me wonder about abuses of the system and if and how many spots are being affected by it. I firmly believe you only refresh it for a hope that Infantry returns, not to deny anyone the spot or to hoard it for yourself.

Certainly, I wasn't feeling attacked. Thanks though. I just felt like putting some clarity on that considering you're definitely not the only one aware of that property situation. I do really hope he's ok and would rather see him return for it.

if you get deployed, go to jail, get a job oversees, then you have time to PM telamon in IRC. if you are hospitalized suddenly, then you will probably be home within 90 days to tend to your house.

i think there are a ton of large-footprint houses on the server that don't belong to active players. these spots would mean much more to an active player than they do their inactive owner, right?

i don't really have a horse in this race; just my 2c

I'm curious what you consider "a ton" in relation to large foot print houses. I haven't seen a great many that are unused but I'd probably get some more solid feedback from someone on the IDOC scene.


For what it's worth, I counted on the Ren map once, somewhere over 80 Castle/Fort footprints.

I'm a little confused why having a property go condemned after the account owner hasn't logged in within the past 6 months is bad?

If you haven't even attempted to log in within 6 months and you have friends refreshing, the moment it goes condemned your friends would, hopefully, msg you and have you log in. If you still can't log in then why SHOULDN'T the house decay?

Also why would we possibly grandfather in the old houses? Seems like we are stating the reasons being not to punish players, but the only players that would be "punished" are players that don't even play here.

Spoken like a truly reformed hoarder...I mean businessman....well played sir!

This. It punishes newer players and doesn't fix anything

definitely needs looking in to, the whole housing situation in general.

this 15 houses over 3 accounts i believe is a bit excessive, you have alot of people hording the good spots and not allowing for new players to get a decent spot on the server without paying bs prices on the trade forum.

i played here in 2014, left for a while due to rl reasons and my houses fell. Sure i lost some things but it was my own fault and im quite happy to rebuild again.

It puts a dampner on the situation coming back and not being able to find a good spot for anything bigger then a small house because of the amount of empty houses being horded.

just my thoughts.

Regards
TiMI

You can see that prices on fortresses are already falling considering one just sold for 6m. It was getting outrageous for a short bit there but I think that was more of a reactionary fear in the market than anything. Housing decay alone assures you that any player worth their salt can get one if they are patient and diligent in their searching and trade. That's actually a sign of a pretty healthy market. I do agree better limits would be a nice thing but it's water under all the bridges in Vesper at this point.

There's no n in that word by the way.

I honestly think we should keep this thread on the original point and not expand its scope.


Original point from my understanding is the implementation of condemning houses.

Great houses in great locations have been sitting on the auction block for weeks. I swear I'm gonna pistol whip the next person that says housing crisis.


The TOPIC though,


If the owner doesn't log in and personally refresh after 90 days, drop it. +1

I'm for it. 90 days is perfectly reasonable. If you're in the hospital or something for longer than that and you can't use the internet once to send out a quick "hey i'm very badly sick" to Telamon, I kind of think UOR is the least of your problems.