AFK Gump? Please at least try to read before voting, this is why we ended up with Trump

Clearly it's B

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Therein lies the rub, I am all for randomized timers. I am not for limiting how people choose to play.

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Yeah mostly it's the less bots game for me. I feel people are doing things with Razor that the difference between it and other third party programs have blurred the lines.

It is what it is, this clearly isn't the same game we all enjoyed in the late 90s and early 2000s. I need to move on and stop trying to fit it into that ideal

Fine, call me dense, or any other name. I don’t mind. But please read the first paragraph of your original post and tell me how that does not sound butthurt.

You said, paraphrasing, “I like to IDOC, but someone else is botting so I cannot compete. Fix it so that they can’t bot and I can IDOC how I want.” Or did I loose the meaning somewhere in there?

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LOL dude these people don't like change, they probably don't even change their draws. But I gave you a yes vote just out of spite for them.

Sure, play the victim.

Look if you actually want to discuss this with me instead of grandstanding on the forums.

PM or IRC me sometime I'm done talking about this with you on here

Yeah it is mostly razor killing the nostalgia for me VS era accuracy.

I basically came to the same conclusion you have, about halfway through the thread but got drug back into it

Fair enough a couple points:

The VPN issue is a huge one that I never had even considered and one that is beyond a good reason to not instill this.

I think the word "demand" may have been a bit strong utilization of the word in your explanation as I was trying to get a "what is going on" type response while giving my opinion why it should change. I fell giving an opinion and demanding are very different words. Had I stumbled across the link that was provided that showed an overwhelming support to make IDOC timers random but without any change, I would likely have not created this thread in the first place, and early on in the thread stated "I wish I had the power to lock this" as I saw it spiraling to drama.

Lastly we all have different opinions of where UO is and what it should be. I'm loving the shard, you and your staff have done an excellent job, currently it is the best UO product that is out there, IMO. I just have to learn to take the things I disagree with and avoid those aspects of the game, regardless if they've been part of my past UO play.

Thanks for chiming in

Another one of these threads. Guess the old crew is still dominating enough to generate yet another "whaaa change idoccing so it suits me" threads..

Razor isn't complex. The macro to check greatly's isn't complex. Over the years there have been two types of challengers to the idoc scene: Those who cry for changes to suit their play style or those who adapt to the current play style. Either way, unless you're organized, dedicated, and grouped up with players you trust - you'll fail.

As I've said dozens of times in the past. Even if a change is made, the same group will still dominate specifically because they also manually check signs dozens of times throughout the day. When I first started here we did manual checks and we dominated just fine, mainly because any competition would rely on once a day checks or camping for 17 hours.

TL;DR: Nothing needs to be changed. You can do everything the current group(s?) does. You're just too lazy.

Let the idocers IDOC and let the tamers tame. Meanwhile I'ma see ya'll 1v1 on the fieldzzzzzzzzz.

At least this change brings to light what's actually happening on this server.

Also, what harm would it cause for an AFK check to be put in for it? Can't mine for 5 minutes afk but can autocheck IDOCs? Why is this so backwards?

Chris meant the skill points with zero skills. He says, it's good that the bots have to invest 100 points. It doesn't matter at all though except that it takes 1-2 days longer to prepare the bots.

The comparison between mining and IDOCs has been explained already. I don't necessarily share Chris' point of view, but it's nevertheless explained: Mining would directly generate wealth, while the IDOC bot scouting "only" generates the means to get the IDOC timer through the screenshots. The actual acquisition of goods thus still has to be done by playing and not AFK.

The real questions that have to be discussed (and that already have been discussed alot with large polls preferring changes for the system as of now) are: Is the necessity of using and managing afk bots for the acquisition of IDOC timers a good thing? Is that the gameplay we as a community want here? What about era accuracy? People in the UOR era definitely weren't using multi-client automated bots, while managing the timers in shared spread sheets.

Nearly everything that has been stated by Staff why changes aren't good, could be solved in a different way.
Just some examples:
- You fear VPN usage? Then randomize the IDOC timer slightly. Make bots much less useful.
- Errr... are there actually any other points? I can't remember any other reasons except VPN use.
- Maybe that stuff about "earning" wealth by teaming up together and organizing stuff... like champs? like harrowers? like scavenger hunts? like xmas/valentines/easter/halloween? like ctf? like the new xmas instances? like factions? There is a shit ton of stuff to dominate already as a group- why do we need IDOCs to be the way they are? Why not just eraze 50% (100%?!?) of everything that is inside so that crafters and farmers actually benefit from emptying markets. We would need to craft much more stuff and keep magic weapons etc, rares would be more valuable, uberrares would be free to be given out for the anniv events and other festivities, etc. Another simple gamechanger idea: why not put random items of the IDOCs into overworld monsters/animals? All this standard overworld farming needs a massive boost of income, imho. Because of so many new posibilities to make money, simple overworld farming sucks and people actually mock you when you farm things like EGs...
- Another simple idea: Why not support PvP on the shard? Let's skip all this IDOC timer acquisition and bot management at all and announce the IDOC timers openly in public? Automized pvp events have been promised since forever here, and this is an easy way to get large scale field fights.