Taming questions...

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  1. Aya

    Aya Active Member

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    Ok, I think I ruined my dragon. He has suffered a slew of painful and embarrassing deaths, I would not say it is all my fault (but it is) so his resist has gone down quite a bit. It is now 80. I have heard that people train their dragons on shadow elementals, but how do they train resist? Also, if I transfer a bonded dragon to my brother does he have to use peculiar meat to bond it to him? Do I regain that bonding slot?
  2. Athena

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    Training resist can be a huge pain, you mainly have to treat it as if you were training resist for a character and bombard the pet with a large amount of high circle spells when its at higher resist. Sadly pets attack back or else we could make some type of pet resist party session. You can also let it go up naturally through play, it will take a long while though. Honestly its up to you if you think the dragon is ruined or not, at 80 it should still resist a fair set of spells tossed at it and resist poison at a decent rate so it doesn't seem ruined yet to me. It's true a fresh one would get you back up to about 90 resist but its up to you if tossing away any work you have done on the dragon is worth 10 resist.

    In the case of rebonding I'm not sure about the peculiar meat thing but you should get the bonding slot back for sure if you give up the bonded dragon.
  3. Dalavar

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    Pet resist party is definitely possible. In about a month or so, I will try to host one.

    80 resist isn't awful. I feel like most my dragons start between there and 86 or so. You can easily train into the 90's if you're farming decent spellcasters. I actually made it all the way to 98.5 resist with my dragon by just farming. At that point, I set up a resist party (party... for one!) to get to GM.
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    Trap them near a wall, then cast MS thru the wall and hit them (is my guess)
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  5. Athena

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    Ahh I guess you could do that I'd be worried if people weren't in there feeding the pets is all. One pack of dragons goes rogue.. and well it could be carnage.
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  6. T3h D4ve

    T3h D4ve Well-Known Member

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    You'll still have your bonding slot, just lacking a pet that's bonded for it if you trade your bonded dragon, and other than waiting a week after feeding it, it'll REFUSE TO EAT peculiar meat as it's already had three, it just needs normal meat, and th week wait.
  7. Artex

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    When you transfer a bonded pet have the new owner feed one regular raw meat then stable it for 7 days. After the time has past feed him one more raw meat and the pet will bond with the new owner.
  8. Mandevu

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    Look.

    -Buy a two story house
    -Place your pet upstairs near the wall and lock boxes around him/them (I would recommend training as many pets as possible at one time)
    -have your tamer standing next to your trapped pets with a large stock pile of meat at your feet
    -create a macro that loops feeding one piece of meat to each pet every 10 minutes so that they won't go unhappy
    -get a caster and place him on the bottom floor of the house and have him casting meteor swarm in the direction of your pets

    Meteor swarm only does 1 dmg max and everyone's health will regenerate that one point in between each cast. Therefore, you won't need to heal. Your pets will gm resist in no time.
  9. Artex

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    I would caution using a house that is suseptable to outside area affect spells. I had a large tower on dagger near Genocide, Google and comany. While training dragons I was frequently harrassed. They would EQ my bonded pets to death. Somehow I would die as well to them maybe I was standing too close to the wall (mostly afk training). Well I bought a large keep and now it's not an issue. After losing what training they were gaining and then some I got fed up and moved. The bonded pets were killed or they went unbonded and wild. So I had to rez my dead bonded pets or try to retame the ones that went wild (then wait seven days to rebond) and train them all over again. If you die or aren't near them during training they lose loyalty like crazy.

    There is talk of setting up a tamer pet resist session but there's too much to go wrong. Someone would have to baby sit the event and be able to ban or remove pets as well as owners that failed to follow the rules. I feed mine every four minutes and usually that's enough... the way loyalty is in a house right now I'd be careful with ten minute intervals. Start the macro and check back in 15 minutes and adjust according to the pets lore.

    Currently bonded pets seem to lose a big chunk of loyalty (more than usual) when they don't follow a command so I would be careful or maybe wait till the next patch to see if it was fixed. I never give commands during training I just use stone ovens then ax them to redeed to my pack. Oven between them allows the dragons to regen their mana so they'll cast higher level spells on one another. Spamming all guard me is not reliable right now to reset loyalty.

    Having them seperated and casting on one another is painfully slow when it comes to gaining resist. Have them spar seperated from each other casting on each other till they GM magery then go after resist. Or if resist is your main concern do what Mandevu suggested. There's a pet training guide in the forums somewhere.....
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  10. Mandevu

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    I used 10 min intervals and they stayed wonderfully happy. I mean obviously if you live next to notorious pks I don't see how you couldn't see that coming. Outside interference aside, the method works really well and I was able to gm all three pets resist in a couple days. The method I described above worked great, but be careful where you do it. If the feeding time is too long then shorten it to every 5 minutes and stockpile more meat on the ground for use.
  11. Dalavar

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    You don't need meat to keep the pets happy, you can just use frequent "all guard me" commands instead.

    I'd suggest using a stone oven for one wall of the pet pen (blocks line of sight), and just targeting the oven with the meteor swarms.
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    I'd be cautious with this right now though, I am having a hack of a time with pets losing loyalty. Just had my hell hound pack training working while I left the house for a few hours, and a couple of them went wild. There's no way this should happen to a GM tamer with Hell Hounds (84-ish taming requirement).
  13. Athena

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    Yeah loyalty drops like crazy since Chris said he adjusted loyalty to drop slower. I believe Carl made a thread about it right after the change. Maybe Chris twisted the knob the wrong way and instead of
    50% slower loyalty decay we got 50% faster.
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    Athena, I am thinking the same thing.

    I am trying to train some hell hounds and they go wild after less than an hour, even under pretty frequent commanding. I can't figure it out.
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    Why I stopped using all guard me to refresh loyalty, a few fail to follow commands make the pets drop a huge amount of loyalty and the more they drop the more they fail to listen = becoming untame.

    When I first started on this shard I didn't know the type of individuals I had placed the tower near. That is why I moved and now use a large keep and suggest others do so if they want to train unimpeded.
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  16. Mandevu

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    I don't like relying on all guard me. It is as Artex said.
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    I think the pets are going untame faster too.

    The reason I know this is very odd and due to my OCD.

    In my house I have a little stable area setup to leave your horse when you come in, well sometimes I like to dismount my nightmare or horse while I do things in my house. Well, I've been doing this forever so I think I'd notice.
  18. Dalavar

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    This was fixed in the most recent patch (last night).
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    Tested the patch out today while farming and I was able to bring my dragons loyalty back up using all guard me. Hooray.
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