It is a sad sad day, indeed.

Taming is the least effective way to do the AMIBs in Ironman style.

Melee Miners are significantly better than Tamers at killing Ore Golems and Elementals.

Taming was 100% useless at the Halloween "Night of Horrors" event.

Dexers were faster than tamers at killing coin producers in the Halloween overworld event.

Dexers were slightly more effective than tamers at the Xmas "Dark Elf" instanced event last year.

Bards were better than tamers for the Xmas ongoing overworld event last year.

Someday though!!!

None of these are consistent farming methods.
Dexxers were better at overworld events if they brought the big slayers. Big risk too.
Tamers, namely Descartes and Athena, wrecked the xmas event last year. I won two, by a hair, with a slayer.

Dexxers can't do world bosses or spawn bosses.
Dexxers aren't effective at spawns, compared to bards and tamers at later levels.
Dexxers REQUIRE a slayer to be at all competitive.
Dexxers risk more by using said slayers.
Dexxers require a bard skill to compete, so in essence they are bards first.
Dexxers can't do dragons, balrons, wyrms, etc... as effectively as a tamer can.

Taming is the easiest and most effective of all the PvM classes. Requires less skill, gear, and risk.

If slayers were more common then this would not be an issue. I would continue using my dexxers, happily.

Slayer Weapon Bless (I mean "bonding") Deeds for Platinum! Yes please!

Also 4x damage on said slayers please. Also make them craftabe via runics!

New player here, just realizing 67% of what you listed will never pertain to me.

You must be a dexxer!

Mostly a crafter.

I know this is my own personal dead horse to beat but I'd like to once again point out that the regular old tamer really isn't very impressive without provo or disco.

Well yeah.. So let's compare a base tamer to a base dexxer... The tamer still wins.

Hey, I'm just trying to help you make the right template decision here, man. . . .

Oh I'm not attacking you..

I hear you and I decided to do disco tamer.

Thought this was gonna be another cynic im selling all my stuff and quitting post...a little relieved yet let down

Now he's got a disco tamer so the "selling all my stuff and quitting post" will be that much more epic!

Well, Melochabre asked specifically about "endgame content", so that was the point I was making. Though the mining capabilities of dexers are a consistent farming method. So much so that the guy who started the "what do you make per hour from each of these character types" has decided to build a dexer-miner to farm with.

There's always going to be one character type that's best for certain things, and I think for farming it's pretty clear that's the tamer. It's a one-dimensional character type, and it does that thing very well. If 7x dexers made the best farmers *and* made useful pvp templates too, we'd all just whip up some dexers and never use anything else.

I agree with this. I think changes to chests (tmap and dungeon chest) to allow for slayers would be welcome. And probably the doubling of the drop rate of slayers from monsters. I've mentioned this in the past, but after my first 10,000 elder gazer kills, I had exactly 1 power slayer and 0 vanqs. And it was a bleeping black staff.

Updating the slayer system to ensure that all monsters are dropping the appropriate type of slayers, are harmed by the appropriate type, etc., would help too. We are missing Fey slayers, for example.

Welcome to the shard. I hope your first post wasn't intended to be negative. I've never had a crafter in 15 years of UO before this shard. And on this shard, it's ended up being my primary activity that I've put the most hours into, and made a very nice return from.

True, but how often does one get to run an AMIB versus hitting up the local dungeon? And this only applies to solo runs. Any other AMIB run (where people only care about the loot) is easily accomplished in a third of the time with 2 or 3 tamers.

This is absolutely true. Tamers would be the most ineffective template for these 11 monsters.

Yes, for the 1-2 week period that these 35 minute events are taking place once or twice a day, dexxers win.

This is so ridiculously wrong unless you mean that dexxers were better at killing the trash which drop coins at 1/100 rate. Not only did we have to contend with disarm thieves but we can't stand toe-to-toe with the rarer and tougher mobs like tamers can. We have to hit,run and heal and keep repeating that sequence taking several minutes to kill the creature. Every tamer that I saw handily defeated the "coin producers" in the same way: they gated in their pets, raped the rare monster in about a minute and then gated out.


I can't comment on the Christmas stuff because I didn't join those events. However, to imply that there is some balance between pvm templates is absurd. Because we can kill ore elementals or run an Ironman AMIB better doesn't mean everything is fine; there's still the other 95% of spawn that dexxers either do worse against or can't even attempt.

So now we're comparing one dexer to 2 or 3 tamers? Look: one dexer will go through an AMIB faster than one one tamer. Two dexers will go through an AMIB faster than two tamers. Three dexers will go through an AMIB faster than three tamers.

Also, who does AMIBs for the loot? The market cost of them is more than you get in loot from them, not to mention the time spent. At least for me, I do them for fun.

No, I mean dexers were better at killing skeletal blood mages, vampires, and headless horsemen. Skeletal blood knights were a little annoying, but also took a while to kill with a tamer. Also, there's bows, the peacemaking skill, disco, etc. I don't understand why a pvp-style dexer should be on equal footing to a pvm-oriented character.

Who is implying balance? I flat out said that tamers are better at doing the thing that their character is solely built to do. This shouldn't be surprising, or a point of contention. I was simply responding to your comment that there's "no endgame content" for dexers.

Give me a melee based instance where I can add to my weapon bonding slots so that I wont lose my perfect dragons...er wait a sec...I mean my perfect farming tools, to even decrease my risk vs reward more while I farm fat cash and either horde/sell these epic weapons to the guys that need them for even greater amounts of money!! The rich get richer while the rest try and catch up!

I am all for the pet bonding experience, I just hope there is something planned for the other classes that need to get dirty to make their living. We have end game BODs for the crafters, pet bonding/big game for tamers, I would go as far as saying Champ spawns for bards...what do the dexxers have? AMIBs/Golems??

And anyone who wants to throw out that events as being favored towards dexxers....maybe the instanced ones while players are out in mass tackling it together free of losing any valuables one might bring, but most if not all over world events are favored toward the tamer, hands down.

As farm as pvm vs pvp, the greater a class is used for one aspect of the game, the less it is used for another, just does not make it better then the other...you ever try and dex someone down toting 2 dragons around?

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I tried many different avenues in trying to eek out as many holiday coins per hour during this halloween event, farming there for hours daily. I declare that dexxers OWNED overland.
I wouldn't have stuck with a dexxer for the entirety of the overland event if it was inferior to my ready to go tamer. I measured both and tamers were SO much slower at bringing down the mini bosses and these are fully trained dragons.
As for not being able to go toe to toe with the "tougher mobs" of the overland event, here are my total kills for my dexxer (And I've only been here a few months so these are not from last years event):
Skeletal blood knight: 180
Skeletal blood mage: 178
Vampire: 152
Headless Horseless Man: 150

http://www.uorenaissance.com/?page=m_player_mobKills&fn=621845

Also the only people I saw unwillingly killing trash was tamers as their pets get aggro'd in 4 different directions and swarmed by as you correctly labeled, completely worthless time wasting trash mobs.