PvM Frustrations of a dexxer guild.

Also there absolutely should be an imbalance between a single dexxer and single tamer to PVM. Always has been and always will be and should continue to be. Dexxers should not be able to go farm everything a tamer can and obviously a tamer should be able to farm everything a dexxer can.

Dexxers were never the be all end all in PVM and they shouldn't be. There are plenty of lucrative ways to farm a dexxer right now with our current ruleset that does not include battle mining.

Without getting into all the stuff about dexxers being difficult and costly I think most people's frustration with tamers is that they are incredibly easy to make, incur almost zero risk, and handily reap the greatest rewards. In short, there is very little downside to being a tamer. I don't believe many people think that a dexxer should be on par with two dragons. Rather, that the power a tamer wields should be difficult to attain, hard to maintain, and a noteworthy accomplishment when it happens.

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There is no reason a tamer should be able to control 2 dragons and a mare, you can do so much burst damage on someone with that combo they are insta dead, and anything you can do with 2 dragons and a mare you can do with 1 dragon and a mare just as well. If they dont lower control slots up the amount a dragon takes to control to 5 problem solved. Right now tamers are to strong you can not deny that.

That newish player Stack Overflow GM'd taming very easy in the fire dungeon (I of all people showed him the spot). He got GM awfully quick this past Labor Day weekend.

I was able to GM my tamerthief in about 4 days here using Compassion shrine, Hopper's Bog, and the Fire dungeon. I patrol those areas, but I rarely see people in either Hopper's or the Fire dungeon. I did not train in Jhelom or Delucia and my ride to GM was only interrupted twice. Once by DDOS, once by a lililililil PK

I understand GM taming is the start of the taming road. Gideon said it right, you need to get extra bond slots and some special meat. However, I paid for all that. 150k per event slot and 12k-15k per meat. That gold was farmed nearly AFK with 2 unbonded dragons rather quickly. I just dropped my tamer and his dragons off in a spot and played Pork Fried Rice while my tamer killed stuff. Every time I had to unload/restock my PK's backpack, I'd loot the stuff my dragons killed.

The hardest part about getting extra bond slots for me was waiting for the person running it to get everyone together at the same place and same time.

Number of pets is fine... but not with 100% command susses rate. I remember if been hunting a long while without feeding your pets and pker showed it was always a pain when your kill commands failed. then you had to spam.. which made them fail more often... making things worse.

And to say it takes a long time doesn't get means all risk needs to be taken away. LJ takes long time to train, but had same risks as a dexer.

To weld great power should come risks.

Has UO not been like this for the last 15 years? I've always seen 2 dragons and a mare.

I trained from 0 lore and taming to 88 taming 100 lore in 20 hours (10 hours per day, for 2 days in a weekend), without afk macroing. I literally tamed every single animal by myself, watching on a screen on a weekend. This means, no night macroing (i don't afk macro with Nymeros anyway, he's a semi-naturalist). If I had done that, maybe it would have been 94-95, at which point I can tame dragons (maybe not a mare, but what difference would that make in terms of farming?) and start farming like hell.

Well...if I had 10hrs a day to dedicate to the game, I would probably support that lol. However, I definitely don't. Also, from what I've seen you basically have to manually train taming to some point before you can go do it "afk" and even when you're afk...you still have to manage your guy because there's a good chance he'll die for some reason.

Sarian, that is 20 hours of effort. You are free to distribute it as you see fit.

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There are no skills or templates that are hard to train. To say otherwise is completely ignorant of the fact that nothing is even remotely as challenging as it was in this era to train.

Razor makes it all easy and if you think it's hard, you're a big baby.

Let's also keep in mind that you're more likely to die to pks trying to gate your pets out than simply hit a recall macro and be gone before their sprites are even on screen.

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Because blaise not only enjoys pointing out other people's excessive use of superlatives, he also likes to take the hypocritical route and abuse them himself.

I'm not exaggerating and those statements are intended to be taken literally except the big baby part. The big baby part was not necessary but I'm not sure how anyone sees any skill as hard to gain. Do they take some time and resources? Sure.

Superlatives have their place in such statements because nothing is hard to train, really. I point out superlatives that are used in hyperbole, absolutely. I'm not hypocritical, just because I know how to apply superlatives without it being an exaggeration.

Unless you're playing naturally without Razor, and say, trying to build your crafter or tamer, sure as shit, that's gonna be hard. Otherwise, you look up the macros, gather the supplies and Ron Popeil Rotisserie to 7x. Just set it........ and forget it.

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Strawman arguments are refuting arguments not posed originally. I believe you were claiming training is hard. I disagree and feel that nothing is actually hard to train. You can drop all kinds of sweet vernacular bombs, despite them being inaccurate, but it won't change the simple truth of this day and age: Character building is not hard. The variability of work required is negligible enough, from my perspective, to not even be worth considering.

You said "Calling making a tamer easy is fairly silly."
I disagree and see no evidence to the contrary that anything is hard to train here. You can pick any template and be done in under a week if you have the time and resources.

I'm not putting any words in your mouth or exaggerating. Thanks for looking out though.

I did notice the magic creatures in the game cast poison a lot. But I made my character this week, bought up enough skills to 700 and used the old seesaw method to get my STR and DEX to 100. Now, when I get poisoned, I just wait it out or try to heal it with a bandage. It is correct to say that someone with 50 STR can die so easily to poison but getting to 100 STR is easy when seesawing Arms Lore while just leveling up your dexxer skills.

I don't do any macroing to level skills either. Kind of defeats the purpose of having fun for me but that's me.

I think the point previous posters were trying to make is that the spell casting of mobs on this server are indeed different than on the official server. It is rather difficult to handle poison, mb, exp, poison, fs with a 100 to (sometimes) 120 health point pool unless you're chugging pots. It can be done if pulling mobs responsibly and is a very active, enjoyable, and imo rewarding game play experience.

However, if you allow yourself to compare your character to a tamer: life can seem unfair.

I mean, let's break this down:

Tactics
Anatomy
Weapon
lumberjacking

2.5 - 3.5 (anatomy) skills dedicated for offensive output

Anatomy
Healing
Parrying
Magic Resist

3.5 (anatomy) skills dedicated to defense

and optionally

36 (no fizzle recall scroll) points dedicated travel

Then there's the whole expensive gear thing - that's been discussed enough but, I'll just leave that subject by saying - pet bonding = #middlefinger


or... just pick up animal lore and taming which will give you a potential offensive and defensive output of this :

http://www.uorenaissance.com/info/Dragon x 2
http://www.uorenaissance.com/info/Nightmare

Unless you're in it for the RP, I think the decision is a no brainer to most.


So, is this a problem? Well personally I think it's beyond f*cked up however, I don't think it can be "perfected" let alone balanced. Suggestions of blessing weapons (guilty), magic reflecting shields, parry buffs, etc have all been attempts to address the issue but, thinking forward what impact would that have on other aspects of the game?

Being a curmudgeon I broke down and joined the "dark side" recently. I've had some tamers for the past two months or so. Last weekend I fell asleep while playing.
I deleted those tamers a few days ago, made a peace warrior, and have been having disadvantaged fun ever since.