is it good?

Just out of curiosity: what have you been doing meanwhile to achieve the same results? I mean, it's clearly possible.

It is not about what I have done. It is about, what motivation have I left to play this game? I don't even need to mention the shitty ping plus lag spikes and the loss of many players ('friends') that played during the EU times. That is a different topic. The core problem caused by the Harrower change is, that I can't find any motivation to do standard PvM anymore. I know that I will never be able to compete in wealth with 4-8 people who are able to play that specifically tailored, staff-made, non-era accurate harrower event. It is not possible to compete against that plat melking cow. One single change, broke the plat income of 95% of the Shard, while enabling less than a dozen players who do EVERYTHING to evade pvp (thus their evasive gaming times) become uber-rich.

This is not UO. And, this is not UO perfected. I won't stop mentioning it.

PS: Do you remember what the official motivation of the harrower change was? Well then check this link out (http://www.uorenaissance.com/itemgraph/EED/PlatinumCoin/single) and consider that we have much less active players, than some months ago. The situation got much worse, and it is now all in the hands of a few.

PPS: Dramatic, heart-breaking scenes by Staff that might decide to revise the harrower reward system in a far away future won't change the wealth that has been generated so far. To me, the plat economy and thus the economy in general is broken up to a point where I simply stopped farming anymore.

all spawns:
oaks - 1.5hour
coon - 30m
others - 45m
harrower - 30m-1hour
= 5.5 hours

3 boxing a spawn will net you 14-25 plat
6 spawns * 14 = 84 plat doing spawns
4 man crew @ harrower (30min-1hour) 1k plat/4 = 250
= 334 total plat / person
334*9000= 3m

3m/5.5 hours
= 545k/hour

Should of kept it at 20 plat and made it an instance (max 10-20?) for the hard work that went into making it happen. Everyone wanted to "booo" that idea when i suggested it in that original thread by chris. Look at you now

The Plat Train is much larger than 4-8 players (and grows weekly) Just because 4-8 people are doing the harrowers doesn't mean a lot more people didn't help with the Champs to get the skulls. You guys are so basic, it's not even funny. Try a little imagination. There's far more hands in the pot than you realize.

our pot was small we worked with, so those are our kind of our numbers

So many assumptions being made by so many butt hurt players. The players involved in the spawns group are many many more than just 8.
It's not easy running this group and I give props to the 5 or so who created the rules and keep tabs on activity.
Just because you weren't given an invite doesn't mean that there aren't 20+ people benefitting, from vets to new players alike.
I also remember an extremely late night champ group that you frequented. Talk about no jobs? I work nights and that was even told late for me on the East Coast. I don't make blanket accusations and start whining on forums because I wasn't invited or because it didn't fit my schedule.
You have the ability to do the same thing the current spawning group is doing. Stop your whining, grab 5 players who each have 3 tamers, and start working spawns during your time zone. If you refuse to adapt and just want to keep making this out to be a staff design flaw or somehow they are favoring a group of players then just quit. You have the power to go else where if the lag, "favoritism", drama, ruleset, or design don't fit your expectations.

People bitched regarding the mechanics of the old harrower system and it received an overhaul.
Now other people are bitching that's it's not fair in its current design.
If it changes again you'll still have people bitching.
You can't please everyonenter.
Even if you cut the plat output from Champs and harrowers you won't see anything change, it'll still be (in your mind) the same 8 players farming out 4k plat instead of 8k plat.
Even of you make it and instanced event you'll see the same group consistently farming the harrower, except this time with zero resistance. In its current form you can scout, raid, and steal harrowers.. people would rather complain though.

15 tamers w/30 dragons

good luck trying to do that while in stat

nobody bitched, administration thought there was a problem. everyone bitched when a shit system was drafted

You have 3 accounts, rotate your pks. I have 3 reds I can rotate and I don't even pk, raid, or pvp on a red. This isn't new. Your guild was even disturbing on blues, you know you're not limited to reds so that's just a copout.

Everyone in that guild jumped on the 3 tamer bandwagon. It was, afterall, started by a well known player on your guild who was farming Terra keep solo. Adapt and overcome, or bitch and complain.

There was plenty of bitching with the old system. A simple forum search will reveal that.

I ran those at 1am when I got off at midnight, I'm sorry that you seem to think that anyone who plays different hours than you is unemployed. Odd for such things to come from the single most sensitive player I have had the displeasure of sharing this shard with.

nvm just realized i don't care anymore

feels good, don't it?

Hate to say I told you so (this is a lie, there are few things I enjoy more) but everything I predicted when the changes were being discussed has been come to pass. You remember, that time I told everyone ahead of time what the new system was going to result in and was told by staff that I needed to stop threatening people.

So the harrowers have been taken out of the hands of the general playerbase, and are now plat trains for certain people who do harrowers at inconvenient hours because the risk and subsequent fear of being raided is too great to even give other players the possibility of finding your harrower. More plat is coming into the system than before but it's only going into the hands of a certain few (who I'm sure you've noticed only worm out of the woodwork when it comes time to defend systems that benefit them, sup cynic) and with regards to plat the economy is more broken before. It didn't even fix the lag, the server being moved to bumfuckistan has made shit more laggy than the old harrowers never could.

I predicted all of this (except for the server being shot in the foot with terrible hosting) and was accused of threatening people. I guess it's really not wrong though, there's nothing more threatening to some of the people around here than the truth.

Same tired ass shit. Next.......

Melking isn't a word. Get good or cry a river, pretty simple.

No one is blocked from doing the same thing they just lack the application of effort to achieve the same level of effectiveness. UO never has and never will be balanced for people who commit more time with those who commit less.

I've had plenty of opportunities to ride that train, I just don't care about material wealth in game as much as others. When I play, I play for the party as I always have.


Cheers and get hyped.

This. Well said Blaise

yeah man this issue is tired it's not like I'm farming thousands of thousands of plat every day while you're at work HYPE TRAIN LONG LIVE UOOOOOOOR


On another note, remember that comment I said about guys that climb out of the woodwork to defend systems that benefit them? This thread have been a who's who of the current plat farming group, make sure to take a good look.

Cept me, i have no plat lol

My conclusions about the latest replies:

• There are people farming platinum;
• They are not doing anything illegal at all;
• All their procedures and strategies are perfectly known and copyable;
• All the players on the server have the chance of accomplishing this feature;

I'm yet to reach a final conclusion on the complaints. Stay tuned.