Patch 77 - September 12th, Guard Functionality Hotfix, Ocllo & Vesper Town Regions

Nice! Thank you. My immediate needs have been attended to! *thought they were turned off everywhere*
Perhaps I will meet another apple picker one day.

Yeah, they paid a TON of money for these houses. As in what 60 mil or so for one of them.

So...at the end of the day Shop Smart.......Shop S Mart

Again, nothing against the owners of these houses or their intentions or motives, but what if, hypothetically, one or both of these houses were owned by people of villainous intent? Would you still surround them with guard zone? Would you have come up with another solution? Granted that is not the case *right now*, can you guarantee it would never be an issue? If you can, aren't you pretty much overstepping the line that you clearly drew in the sand to not have staff be involved with the affairs of the players? (Isn't that happening right now?)

In what scenario would this really happen? You have a house that is completely surrounded by guard zone with NPCs nearby who will call guards at a whim. How would someone living in one of these houses be in any danger, exactly? Thieves might be the biggest concern, but again, NPCs nearby make that fairly difficult, as most thieves here would probably attest.



At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter who owns the houses or what they are used for. You put a guard zone around two player-owned houses which, whether you believe it or not, greatly increases the benefit to the owners (and in this instance, the customers of the vendor houses). Why go out into the wilds to shop at a vendor when I can stand in the guard zone and buy what I want? How does this staff-introduced zone not directly help the owners of these vendors?

What demands, again? And isn't this basically again imposing staff-views on players and their interactions?

Again, what Rezon is doing is great and helpful, but regardless as to whether or not it is beneficial to the server, these properties are owned by a player and can ultimately choose what to do with them. He can use them to help new players, he can use them as camps for murderers, he can use them for vendor locations, he can use them as private homes, he can fill them with cheese wheels. If these private, player-owned properties are to be seen as a resource for the server as a whole, they would have to be taken away from the custody of a player and ran by staff (or automated), otherwise it is just a player doing something nice for the server (until that player leaves or sells the houses or whatever other eventuality arises).

This can't be done from the edge of the guard zone like everywhere else?

This is true, and it is extremely important for new players to logically feel relatively safe in town from sociopathic griefing. But making the guard zone envelope two player-owned houses obviously opens up a new can of worms. I am with Scuba on this, I am sure it is a good short-term solution until a more elegant solution can be implemented, but the situation really should not become cemented in stone.

This is sooooooooooooooooo not a big deal fellas.

Thanks for the patches Chris! Looking forward to the possible grab of land near vesper.

Is it just me or do you ask to many questions.

This is a huge deal. I am not going to comment anymore because honestly it has become repetitive.

I hope down the road you rethink these guard zones @Chris

Was the primary problem that the bank, where everyone gathers, too close to the guard zone line? If that's the problem, wouldn't a simple fix be to swap the bank with a shop in the middle of town? Like the provisioner shop? Does that solve the problem without guard zone changes?

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But how are they killing people? Roaming EVs and such? Tricks like that are a lot harder to do the further from the guard line people are. His fix (extending the guard line) implies that distance to the line is the fix, so moving the bank will also fix it without incorporating these houses.

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DO NOT SIT AFK IN TOWN

Sorry @Chris I feel this whole thing is silly. You are wasting time on a situation that common sense should take care of. I know I troll you a lot in IRC about moats and cub, mainly because I feel like the things you focus on are not the things the people want.

Fact:
< 25% of the shard cares about the vesper guardzone
< 25% of the shard cares about the town killing

>90% of the shard want CuB completed years ago like it was originally slated for
>90% of the shard want Moats in place. You and I even spoke about getting them out before the house deco contest.

Let the town problem take care of itself and get done what I and everyone else want. Please and thank you.

Fact:
>100% of the shard want gardening

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I'm not quite sure how I feel about the town guardzone thing yet, but I can understand why its being done (outside interference from a certain pay for play shard it seems). On the other hand, the players here who have been waiting for years for CuB, moats, guildstone changes, etc. have to wait longer because of some bad actors that need to be punished, but sometimes it feels like "there's always something" keeping these things from coming to fruitiion, when they have been said to be almost completed anyway.

The people coming from the other shard(s) to cause problems for us seem to have accomplished something: Once again things are delayed and Telamon's focus has been taken off important things to deal with the riffraff. Things could be delayed indefinitely if this is a more concerted effort by these places to disrupt. Could some of these deaths been averted by players just running a Guards! spam bot in town somewhere, and not taken up the time of staff who could be working on the more important things like the patches?

@SteelyDan looks like we won't be buying an Occlo bank house

But on a serious note, I disagree with this change to encompass these homes in the guard zone. On the other hand, you can't just move the bank as this negatively effects these vendor owners... they paid 60mil + for a home that was near a bank and a moongate and it should remain that way. Hopefully down the road there is another logical alternative.

AMEN! I have lots of good fertile dirt that I could have many raised garden beds providing all of Britannia meals...we would have no more needy and hungry people ever again

So, I hear the patch made dragon taming on the steps in Wind impossible now. Gotta find a new place to easily tame big lizards!