Bottom of a bottle.

maybe he is new to the trade forum...

alot of people say s/b thats lower than what they are willing to sell for, just to get the ball rolling.

he should have just posted this

s/b 2.5 mil
b/o 10 mil
there is a reserve

Using a reserve is shady though. Its very presence is deceitful. MAYBE it'd be ok if he said something like "I reserve the right to cancel the sale if it doesn't reach 5 million" but even that would be a bit screwy. Better off to just make the SB an amount he intended to accept and bump it once a day for a week or two.

These bottles are lame anyways! Saved yourselves a lot of money well unspent!

You all need to settle down with your witchhunt. This wasn't even shady, just a guy who changed his mind presumably because new information came to light (his item is no longer 1/1)

Personally I find this type of response far more offensive and inappropriate than someone changing their mind on an auction, and I find it a bit concerning that so many people applaud this type of response. As to the last bolded sentence in this quote - maybe @Larloch should read the Auction Basics post before bidding.

Changing the Initial Forum Post AFTER (!) the item is actually won by someone is a pretty shitty thing to do.
If you want to establish a trading platform stuff like that shouldnt happen at all.

There are multiple things that went completely wrong here:
- Wrong information from the Seller in the first place (no 1/1) Item researches are simple to do, shady method
- No delivery after a Won Auction
- Editing of the Post afterwards

Trust me, if you wouldve won that Auction, you wouldve reserved your right for a F*** Y**
If anyone here should get Forum Banned, its the OP

No I wouldn't. I'm not a toddler so it's not reasonable for me to throw a tantrum because I didn't get the pixels I wanted.

In your opinion perhaps, but not according to the rules. The rules are not even remotely ambiguous about this.

He cancelled his auction 9 hours after the high bid, so before it was "won". Editing after the fact is annoying, but not at all uncommon. This was handled poorly, but the ensuing shit show and personal attacks were not called for. I want to say "Grow up" but I'm sure most of you are adults, so I'll just say "Act your age" instead.

It's a scumbag move and if he's going to waste people's time he shouldn't be allowed to sell here, pure and simple. The rules aren't always right. At the very least he should get a one week trade forum ban.

Unless you're a defense attorney I don't know where defending rude and irresponsible behavior fits into your definition of adulthood. Holding people to standards and abiding by them are actually time-honored hallmarks of maturity.

Cussing in a situation like this probably isn't mature, I'll give you this much. But ending auctions that have bids or excessive use of retractions are poor conduct which undermines the environment of this game world in which we all participate.

Calling him out on it is wholly appropriate and people should know this is someone who may choose not to sell to you if he doesn't feel like it and consider that before engaging in business with him.

Aight since I was quoted...

Yup he doesn't have to list every possible exception or action he may or could take. he did nothing that would cause the Forum Police to come knocking at his door.

But if there is a RESERVE... List it.

Once bidding starts, there is an understanding that no material changes are made to the rules, item(s) or restricting original terms of payments.

If you get cold feet and pull out.. expect a community backlash... expect a less than stellar reputation. But hey its a fucking game, its not the end of the world

OP has some ground to make up in the Trade Game. You the bidders feel free to NOT bid on any of his future auctions,


New Auctioneers, be prepared to NOT get top dollar. You are an unknown, 0 rep and big gold spenders don't spend big gold with you right off.

I'm not defending OP, I'm pointing out that the reaction is inappropriate and (IMO) disproportionate. Going on a rant culminating in a "Fuck you bro" absolutely does not fit into my definition of adulthood, what do you think about that sort of behavior?

Calling him out is completely appropriate. Like I said, OP handled this poorly. I definitely wouldn't bid on any of his trades in the future.

This has gone beyond simply calling someone out though. I wouldn't tell someone to go fuck themselves and throw a tantrum because they don't honor an auction in a game. Supporting, encouraging or defending this type of behavior is in my opinion going to be much more detrimental to the community than someone backing out of a trade.

I can't completely disagree with you here. Establishing greater decorum and better manners on the forum is an admirable goal.

I guess in 1 month you have mastered the art of UOR Forum Trading Posts...maybe you should write a guide on it....unless your one of the many with multiple trade forum accounts.

Since OP is relatively new to the forums, I believe he should be given the benefit of the doubt, this time. But a word to all Trade Forum users, please do NOT list an item for sale that you are not certain you wish to sell. Repeated misuse of this forum can result in privileges being revoked. And no, the use of reserve is not considered shady. It's merely a way of insuring that one's item doesn't sell for much less than anticipated.

I would also like to remind everyone that personal attacks are also prohibited. I believe this conversation has run its course.

EDIT

And for those who are unclear on what a reserve is:
"DEFINITION of 'Reserve Price' A minimum dollar amount that the owner of an item up for auction will accept as the winning bid in the auction. The reserve price prevents the auction from being won at a price that is lower than the item's owner will accept."

Setting a reserve is a common practice in auctions and is NOT considered shady. If someone states that they have a reserve in mind, you have the choice to bid or not bid given that information.