.

Discussion in 'Renaissance Discussion' started by One, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    Black Tortoise likes this.
  2. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    5,473
    Likes Received:
    8,963

    So, having not read the rest I shall answer your query good sir.


    earth shatter > vanquishing > power > might

    You may leave payment with my squire whom I shall send rightly.

    Good day to thee!

    W



    Non smarmy answer though sir is going to be the slayer on top. Slayer is double the roll whilst vanquishing is +9 factored into the weapon's (one) roll. If the weapon did 1-6 or something crazy like that, then we'd have a longer discussion at hand.
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
    Black Tortoise and One like this.
  3. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
  4. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    5,473
    Likes Received:
    8,963
    crap, sorry.. I you replied prior to my edit above ^
    One likes this.
  5. Pirul

    Pirul Well-Known Member
    UO:R Subscriber

    Joined:
    May 16, 2013
    Messages:
    3,219
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Correct. Given that slayers multiply the damage by 2, harder hitting weapons are more desirable slayers. This means that an earth shatter halberd may perform better than a vanq halberd, but an earth shatter cleaver will not necessarily be better than a vanq cleaver.

    Of course, if you want the nitty gritty I would summon @Dalavar or @snap dragon.
    Black Tortoise and One like this.
  6. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    5,473
    Likes Received:
    8,963
    I.... but... I can supply the nitty gritty's too.


    :(
  7. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    Black Tortoise likes this.
  8. Dalavar

    Dalavar Well-Known Member
    UO:R Subscriber

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2013
    Messages:
    3,336
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    @wylwrk do you happen to know what the order-of-operations with all of these modifiers?

    Base Damage of weapon
    STR Bonus
    Anatomy Bonus
    Tactics Bonus
    Lumberjacking bonus
    Exceptional bonus
    Damage bonus (might, force, etc)
    Slayer bonus

    What gets added when, what gets multiplied, etc.
  9. Pirul

    Pirul Well-Known Member
    UO:R Subscriber

    Joined:
    May 16, 2013
    Messages:
    3,219
    Likes Received:
    2,469
    Of course @wylwrk (and others) can also provide you with the nitty gritty. I just don’t have it myself.
    One likes this.
  10. Sheckels

    Sheckels Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2017
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    71
    Thanks @One, I was wondering this too. To think I've been taking a Vanq bow on amibs instead of a crap silver bow.... I'll have to go home now and check all the crap weaps I kept just because they were slayers.
    So because the slayer bonus is double the dmg, a naturally harder hitting slayer weapon is going to have a bigger dmg modifier than a naturally weaker weapon. Have I got that right?
    One likes this.
  11. snap dragon

    snap dragon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2013
    Messages:
    1,944
    Likes Received:
    3,220
    fixed
    One and Sheckels like this.
  12. Sheckels

    Sheckels Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2017
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    71
    Answered, thanks
  13. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2023
  14. Quinlan

    Quinlan New Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    11
    If this is the case, is it a compounding damage modifier?
    For instance:

    Base(str(AB(TB(LB(EB(DB(SB)))))))= actual damage
  15. Dalavar

    Dalavar Well-Known Member
    UO:R Subscriber

    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2013
    Messages:
    3,336
    Likes Received:
    1,915
    I don't know the case, that's why I asked :)

    I think historically the Tactics, Anatomy, and Strength modifiers were additive. Like if you had respectively 50%, 20% and 20% bonuses, you'd get a 90% bonus on damage, not 116%. Not that that guarantees even that part works like that here... but just trying to recall some old Stratics pages I used to pore over.
    Pirul likes this.
  16. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    5,473
    Likes Received:
    8,963
    Yeah, Tela handed out a few crumbs awhile back with the tactics tweaks patch... you may be aware but just for information's sake here is what I believe is accurate and true today.

    But first, your question.... I wish I knew for sure but my accounts aren't set up for proper testing like I used to be (see: infatuated with) to do so. Per my experience simply training up a few characters and making non-sciency-control-group observations, there's no secret sauce as far as the modifiers are concerned. You have your damage potential number, it's a total of all your modifiers, random roll for your weapon varience, and it's calculated prior to and used with your "swing" results.

    I don't want to get into armor absorb... there's something not quite right with it but I can't empirically prove it.


    ... and now for the sh_ post,

    • Strength @ 100 = 20%, Strength @ 110 = 22%, Strength @ 120 = 24%
    • Tactics @ 50 = 37.5% , Tactics @ 75 = 43.75%, Tactics @ 100 = 50%, Tactics @ 110 = 52.5%, Tactics @ 125 = 56.25%
    • Anatomy is unchanged (0-30%) (I do not know the exact stop gap totals)
    • some of the patch was amended when it was noticed that damage wasn't necessarily stable for players with 25-75 tactics



    sorry for the derail one, slayers rule.. vanqs drool unless it's a magic wand... if you find a vanq magic wand PST
    Black Tortoise and One like this.
  17. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2023
    Black Tortoise likes this.
  18. Cheapsuit

    Cheapsuit Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2013
    Messages:
    787
    Likes Received:
    264
    LOL..You just stick to the videos and guides, those videos are the bestest! Speaking of which, I've been wondering how you bring up a cursor to loot? I've always just double clicked.
    wylwrk likes this.
  19. wylwrk

    wylwrk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2015
    Messages:
    5,473
    Likes Received:
    8,963
    Hmm, it has been awhile. Okay, I'm sold... hang tight.
    One likes this.
  20. One

    One Well-Known Member
    UO:R Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2015
    Messages:
    5,818
    Likes Received:
    5,097
    .
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2023

Share This Page