I'm pretty sure the topic has been brought up before but I would like to see how people feel about either nix'ing iron shovels or at least dropping their drop rate compared to other colors. It seems that more than 50% of shovels that drop from turning in BODs are iron, which are worthless imho, especially when you consider the amount of gargoyle pickaxes that drop in that same catagory of flip (which are almost equally worthless from a metal-gathering standpoint). I'd like to hear some other opinions on the matter.
I wouldn't mind hearing what people like Dalavar & Captain think but as a mild blacksmith bodder I would vote in the middle and increase the drop rate of dull & up.
I feel like in the past most people who lobby to keep the system the same do not partake therein. I personally hold two spots on the ore golem leaderboard, as I regularly partake in the process of using these shovels.
I think the current system is fine. It seems the drop rate is almost identical to the drop rate on the ore types of bods. It is just people don't want to fill the Iron Platemail bods so they won't burn through their Iron Shovels. I burn through most of my shovels and I seem to have no problem filling the Dull Copper, Shadow, Copper, Bronze Bods with what I have for shovels. Valorite Shovels are difficult to come by because hell they are a difficult BOD to come by.
People do tons of iron flips and still don't use their shovels, nobody actually farms iron consistently considering it's so easy to just buy it. I'm willing to bet that a huge majority of active ore shovels are iron, because no one uses them up.
I'm just saying that I believe the ore shovel drop rate needs to be consistent with the ore bod drop rate.. so what .5% for a valorite shovel and .5% for a valorite bod.. 1% for a verite shovel.. 1% for a verite bod..
I agree with Kane. Although I haven't done the colored shovels for myself yet, I have used my smith to do them for other players, with them fighting the spawn. The reason I haven't done them yet, is I haven't a miner yet with either malee skills or magic skills high enough to fight. But I am working on it. Do intend to do them at some point. But the shovels, etc. I have all my UOR life to get them done. And yes, I still mine the good old fashion why. I enjoy it.
I have sold a fair amount of Iron Shovels to individuals and unless they are just hoarding them or actively using them. I awhile ago wanted to host a player run event with over 2000 Iron Gargoyle Shovels used but I never got around to it.
There's a reason you have 2k iron shovels though. Currently the drop rate for iron shovels is around 70% (last night I flipped 100 shovel-bearing bods and wound up with 59 iron shovels and 14 colored shovels, the rest being pickaxes), that's just not realistic when you're trying to fill plate sets which take up 10k ingots and 1 shovel only yields 300. That's 33 colored shovels to fill a single large 20x plate bod, that's crazy talk when the only color you're getting a good amount of shovels for is iron.
Well then.. what about all the shitty bod cloth we get for rewards.. how much of that is floating around?? It's balance!
Well, IMO I think BOD rewards across the board could do with a gentle reworking, probably including shovels. Telamon should take on another developer (never gonna happen!), his toDo list and suggestions list must be insane.
For tailorings BODS I would have made 1109 and 1157 special mask dyes only obtainable from barbed 6 piece LBODs. Would have made a little more incentive to work towards those harder larger BODs instead of constantly flipping 6 piece Spined Larges. Kind of like who Blacksmithy Rewards.. the harder the bod.,. the more the reward
I think it'd be pretty simple to at least play with the drop rates for colored vs iron, I wonder if chris would care to comment as to whether or not this is even feasible
I am sure it's not on top of his priority list and not something that screams his immediate attention. We got Christmas coming up and we know how amazing that is!
I just got done sorting 8 bags of 125 misc shovels that I've accumulated in maybe the last two months.. I had some 375+ iron shovels 250+ dull copper shovels 125+ shadow shovels, 125 Copper Shovels and the rest were spread out between the above ore types. I usually decide to sort them when my CY is overfilled with BOD rewards.
i dont believe that for a second. I have been collecting data for over 1k flips now and currently 67% of shovel flips yield iron shovels. You said yourself that you've sold tons of iron shovels, perhaps that's why your numbers look that way. Also, I find it interesting that most of the people voting against my idea don't even mine golems.
As reigning champion of golem lord kills, here is my opinion: With the current voting options, I would leave it as is because I do not think colored ore should be easier to get, especially in the generous quantity that a shovel yields. I can see how it would be frustrating, especially if one might consider them worthless or close to it. While the iron shovels aren't really worth doing for the ore, it's a pretty easy way to get platinum, mining gloves, and statues. I always use all of my iron shovels and have purchased extras in the past. If anything changed, I would prefer to see a change in drop rate or position on the BOD chart of gargoyle pickaxes (which I also use a lot of lately), allowing more shovels to spawn than pickaxes.
