Making a new character (template that i've never used before)

And im stuck between Dungeon Picker or Treasure Hunter (Tmaps) Which one either a) makes better money or b) is just better. Now i know that "b)" is some what subjective, but i also do not have a tamer (yet) so doing my own high level tmaps is not really an option for me (yet).

Any information or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Without a tamer, you are limited to lvl4 maps assuming you have a bard.

IMO, you can make more money or at least much easier money with a dungeon crawler. But it all depends on how cheap you can get maps and how fast you are able to handle the tmap spawns.

You will probably have to try out dungeon chests anyway as you want to GM lockpicking.
Perhaps the chance to get lvl7 maps is changing that calculation in favor to the tmapper now.

Make all? For T-Hunter all you need is Cartho - Lockpick. Taming needs Animal Tame, Animal Lore, Vet. Add Magery and Meditation

and you got yourself a treasure hunter tamer which is quite badass.

Tamer tmappers are not efficient for dungeon crawling.

Why not? What other skill does a tamer require to be successful in a dungeon? I can only think of resist and maybe hide? But who needs to hide when you have 2 dragons and a mare?

Depends on the dungeon but bardic skills help a lot when trying to manage dungeon spawns. Without it, even the most trained dragons can get overwhelmed and die. (The tamer's death usually follows.)

I would make a dungeon picker and add cartography to it. Then add a 'normal' tamer of your choice on a different account. This lets you do both activities without a super-niche template.

Here is my biggest dilemma i've done the tamer thing... ALOT, i mained one on "osi/ea UO" and "voldeshard", and is the big reason for me choosing to be a crafter here before anything else when i moved here from "voldeshard"... specifically so that i could fuel my dexxers (my all time favorite play style).

I have both a very successful Peace Dexxer, and a LJer, both typically played at the same time.

Basoosh kind of hit the nail on the head for what i was leaning towards, but what would be considered either common or the most reliable template?

Mage
Med / Music / Peace or Provo (or Detect Hidden tell gm LP)?
Hiding
Stealth / Music / Peace or Provo (or Detect Hidden tell gm LP)?
Lock Picking
Cartography
???? / Music / Peace or Provo (or Detect Hidden tell gm LP)?

The other question i have is, would a tamer be the only option vs's say a 5x Mage/Provo Bard? Which is pretty much why im having some difficulty settling on a template. That and from an economic point of view is Dungeon Picker superior or inferior to a Treasure Hunter? And how big of a difference are we talking about? I understand that the Tmappers have the advantage in what kind of items they will find in higher maps, and the gold pay out but there is a big difference in cost vs reward between the two.

Once again i really appreciate any advice or opinions.

P.S. (Im picky about what i build and like to look at all angles before i commit my time and money (game) into a character, and my Dexxers excite me, my Mule i enjoy, Tamers just bore me ).

Tmaping and Crawling are easy to combine.

Lockpicking, Cart, Hiding, Stealth, Magic, Med, DH/Ressists? unless I'm missing something?

For Tmaps all this characters really doing is picking, looting the chest and hiding, you will be killing spawns with a alt char or group.

For dung crawling your aiming to stealth around for the entire time, with magic to enter and exit.
Correct me if I'm wrong

Excatly, you dont need to fight anything as dungeon crawler. Just stealth in and out. In principal, you can even play a dungeon crawler while your dexxer kills something at another spot and waits for re-spawns.

For the exact amount of money per hour, it all depends on your playstyle and your efficiency.

Didn't think about incorporating the dexxers if I were to go straight dungeon picker what for 6th and 7th skills?

Mage
Med
Hiding
Stealth
Lockpicking
????
????

And I would GM Detect Hidden tell GM Lock Picking.

If your not going to do Cart, I'm not sure why you wouldn't, but maybe Eval to finish off the mage build? and resists after you drop Detect.

I'm interested in cart but would I honestly need a Provo Bard or Tamer to make it really viable?

The whole idea of incorporating my dexxers with a dungeon picker has me very interested in the plain dungeon picker is what I ment, not that I was against a Treasure Hunter.

Why not use forensic evaluation for your 7th?

It wont benefit you in anyway, but if you arrive on scene to a recent murder you can detect who killed the person and who has rummaged the body.

I didn't mean to imply anything, sorry if it came off that way, I was just thinking that Lock-picking is one of the more difficult skills to GM on this server, and to me it just seemed logical to have cart in the template since it requires lock-picking as well.

As for Tmaps, find some friends with dragons, and be the hero that opens up the treasure

Just my thoughts

Lol, trust me making a character for me is a process, making two characters is even more of a process when I want them to compliment each other.

I really do appreciate all the ideas and opinions everyone has given, now I just need to sit down and decide which template works best for my intentions with both my dexxers and where I want this character to go.

I apologize if this seems overly analytical lol.

Here's what I would do:

Char #1:
01: Lockpicking
02: Hiding
03: Stealth
04: Magery
05: Cartography
06: Detect Hidden
07: Meditation

Char #2:
01: Animal Taming
02: Animal Lore
03: Veterinary
04: Magery
05: Meditation
06: Musicianship
07: Provocation

Char #1 can serve as both a dungeon picker and a treasure map assist-er. Dungeon picking is a pretty solo task. Recall in, hide, stealth around, loot goods, recall out.
Char #2 is a generic tamer that can tackle just about anything. I personally give the edge to Provocation over Discordance if treasure mapping is the primary use.



If you just really don't want to make a tamer and still want to T-Map, I think I would try something like this where Char #1 cross heals Char #2:

Char #1:
01: Lockpicking
02: Hiding
03: Magery
04: Meditation
05: Cartography
06: Healing
07: Anatomy

Char #2:
01: Swordsmanship
02: Tactics
03: Anatomy
04: Healing
05: Resisting Spells
06: Musicianship
07: Discordance, Provocation, or Peacekeeping

Is there currently a Detect Hidden house on the shard? or would i just want to make a bunch of traps myself? What level traps would i require GMx20?

I understand it's cliche and probably widely used by most players, but I would highly suggest making a warrior/mage provocation character, if for no other reason than to provide a decent means of gold income to fund other templates.

I make plenty of money w/ my crafter and dexxers , but you're probably right lol, i really do need to atleast have a 5xmage/bard.