AFK Gump? Please at least try to read before voting, this is why we ended up with Trump

The reason for AFK gumps are two:

1.- to prevent unatended resource gathering.
2.- to detect the use of illegal 3rd party programs.

Would you care to illustrate us as to where therein falls using the item ID skill?

I didn't name/call you out on purpose. I am relatively new here... but I've been told you did play with Chris on the other server. Is that untrue? If so, I'll go back and edit my posts.

Who claimed corruption? I just pointing the history of this server and in my opinion why I ultimately think the rule will ever be changed.

Your the one who jumped to your own defense.

You cannot effectively counter them.

If you kill one, and an automated message is sent to at minimum, the guild channel alerting of death/loss regs/stuck. Someone will show up, then the bot is auto ressed and resume within minutes with only a few regs lost.

If someone has any shred of development experience... they are also parsing journal.txt, where you have unlimited power so long your not building Dynamic Razor macros and not interacting with the game.

Anyone who thinks this isn't happening, is naive.

How? This logically doesn't make sense.

For example, say there is 20 GW's at any given time... do you really think an established IDOC crew has the time/motivation to manually check all 20 every 15min? No, because 99/100 of those houses will not be worth a veteran IDOC'ers time.

If the automation was removed, a vet IDOC crew is only going to check the juicy's.

But with a bot your able to check all 20 GW's every 15min with next to no risk/investment. Once you have your timer, you can show up and stomp on any newbie who invested significant amount of their time watching the house change. You take the loot, the plot of land and pat yourselve on the back for clubbing baby seals

How do I know? I did it for 6months+ winning the majority of the IDOC's we had in our GW books.

Am I saying the most organized/skilled group should not win? Ofcourse not... but automation allows the established groups to squash anyone who might get lucky finding one of the majority of the CRAP IDOC's that drop.

Fair point. So instead of adding a gump, lets change Item ID so it cannot tell you the state of decay of a house. Problem Solved? Yup...

But we all know how this will go... DON'T TOUCH MY AUTOMATION!!

One more thing to think about...

The established IDOC crew lost their minds when Trojan published the IDOC guide for the server to see and use... it cut into their profits for obvious reasons.

They lost their #1 proprietary tool in controlling the IDOC scene.... but with that leaked, the only other proprietary thing that was still private, was the recall bot.

Every one thinks they can build a recall bot... but it's not until they are tasked with updating runes and ABS target signs while shifting runes around in books for weeks/months on end that this becomes almost unreachable... unless you have a programmer with experience in your guild.

If automation was removed, the IDOC playing field would be leveled.... that again would cut into the established IDOC crews profits, so that is another reason why we see so much push back with this idea.

If anyone wants help running a Recall bot... let me know I have a great website setup to generate my script for me.

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everyone thinks its so easy.....

I know for a fact that currently they are NOT checking every 30 minutes manually. Myself and Paddy harassed a Joe Bot for a good couple of hours before anyone showed. Additionally when we decided to block the recall spot, evidently whoever was running the Joe Bot wasn't home as they then had to continually try to kill our newbie characters when we blocked the spot, instead of mark a rune elsewhere.

In the end it was a learning experience and hilarious how many people actually came out of the woodworks, to try to defend their automated bot.



Surprise ending.....the owner refreshed before it ever hit IDOC

The recall bot that Joe has setup is crazy, as in I didn't even know razor could do that.

He immediately hides the minute he's on the screen, if revealed or not allowed to hide he will start recalling.......he will actually time it so he recalls in between swings/poison. I legit have no doubt someone doing this manually could actually time it this well

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I commend you on doing what you did manually, you deserved to reap your rewards. At one point I was a prime IDOCer /house placer back in the day on Atlantic, Hybrid, T2A, and even UOF. I haven't played UO since I started here (forum join date) and hung around for about a month before being burned out (played a ton of UOF prior to coming over), so much of this is me getting used to the idea this is automated. Honestly I have a full time job, a family and I really don't have any business trying to devote time to an IDOC, I just wanted to let it go on my own terms as opposed to having Razor rip another piece of UO nostalgia from me. My opinion about this practice won't change but, there's still plenty else of UO I can explore

Ok, I apologize... I was mis-informed.

Fair enough.

Grr.. again, I was mistaken and mis-informed. I apologize.

Nice flow diagram, even though you say your not very good... it looks like you have some experience.

The one key piece that is missing is the maintenance of the runes/abs targets, but I don't need to know (though I am curious)

It's scary how close that logic is to mine.

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So after all that... lets change item ID? lol

I have not been to an IDOC here since 2014.

With THAT said, I ran IDOC bots since before Chris started IDOCing in UOSA!!

It is NOT rocket science. All it takes is a little common sense, a lot of patience and even more testing by trial and error.

In the end everyone can do it, and everyone can mess with the bots.

Remember, this is a multiplayer online game. If you don’t like how things are done, put together a larger crew and beat the hell out of the established players.

Complaining about a group of people being extremely skilled at and dedicated to their craft is akin to complaining for being gank rolled 5v1 while farming air elementals. All you have to do is out muscle and out smart them. If you can’t, then you clearly don’t have the same level of dedication, determination and or skill as them, and thus you cannot expect the same rewards.

The playing field is level. How are YOU going to play?

Or do you just want a medal for participating?

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The hardest part is dealing with the drama inside the team. THAT is what drove me to stop doing that shit.

what version of razor is that? Mine might need an upgrade.

No idea who this was directed at, but I'm not sure how many times I can say I was NOT complaining about a group of people, but the practice of automated IDOCing. If you're going to try to throw out something semi-offensive at least take the time to read.


Honestly if it was just a bunch of people denying me an IDOC and I got butthurt I would have simply just made a screen shot and posted it on general so everyone could have a field day with it

I am not trying to be even slightly offensive. I am just trying to point out that the playing field is even for everyone. It has been since I returned to UO in 2008, and it certainly has been since this server started.

So you can adapt to the playing field, or accept that you can’t compete.

Personally, I don’t find it very pleasant when I throw a party and guests come into my living room and ask me to change the curtains because they don’t like them (IDOC bots), or that the music sucks (Dexxers can’t compete), or the food was cold (any of the other miriad of complaints about the server).

Now don’t get me wrong! By no means should anyone stop posting suggestions. When you find things that are mechanically/fundamentally wrong, sure!! Post a thread about it, like this one. But when you ask for a change because of the way a group of people plays the game, then you’re just asking because it bothers you how others play the game. And to me, that makes you sound butthurt.

And to me you sound butt hurt that I TOOK A POLL on something you disagree with. Additionally many of those "complaints" have had just fine solutions proposed and have had resounding agreements. The reason you feel they are "complaints" is because you see them so often. The reason you see them so often is because more than 1 person feels/has felt this way. I took a poll to see how others felt, not knowing there was already a poll out there with nearly 90% approval for a change, but nothing is to come of it


So at this point I'm going to end this because clearly

A. Something is getting lost in our communication over a message board
or
B. You're just choosing to be confrontational and dense

Either way it doesn't look like this conversation will improve so let's just leave it at that

Again, what bothers me is that people demand changes because of how others play the game!!

What bothers you so much about other players automating the game? If you don’t like it, then don’t do it! Why affect others because of something you don’t like? And this is a question not only for you, but for the 90% that you say agrees with you.

Or ask yourself if deep down the “poll”, and the 90% agreement, is not because you think it is unfair?

It’s like asking FIFA to only allow Real Madrid to play Ronaldo 20 minutes per game because he is too good and it makes it unfair to the rest of the teams.

So you start saying you can’t compete because of how others play the game, and a “fix” would be to not allow them to play how they want so that it is not “fairly prohibitive” for you. Tell me how that is a simple poll and does not sound butthurt?