If Trammel is the destination, just how far along the path are we?

I would have put 0% but the system wouldn't allow me to add one more option! That said, I think it's asinine to say that we are in no way on the road to Trammel...

You're the best <3

For my part I think we are far far away from trammel.
These event are really nice, like Halloween, duels, CTF, Amibs, tamer quest, ...
But for sure these crystal are weird and i would be up to stop the drop and remove the one existing.

About the rest of complaining, when i see how some people are playing, i understand why Chris is instancing these event.
Some people are really sick, even more like "psyko" while playing this game.
I can't understand how people can enjoy fucking other people gameplay. Something must go wrong in ur education and i'm happy there is "guards/cops" IRL in civilized countries.
U could argue its only a game, but tell me whats the fun to kill some new players in dongeon, dry loot them or even rez kill them? Or whats the point top trap someone? Lure his drags on a boat?, ...

Next is, you are all complaining about these change, but the devs is trying to improve the game, and when u try new thing, sometimes u can do mistake. But in all case, while u move, do thing, not everyone will be happy with the new thing, thats how human kind work. Most of us dont like the change. And most of the complain i see here is about people who like to break other people gameplay.

And if i remember correctly, all these instance like Amibs, tamer quest, lvl 7 Tmaps, are all earn on the open world!
If u want to farm gold to buy these, u need to be in the open world!
And about some of our famous PK, i like ur way to do it, run in dump or should i say dumb, explo pots, explo pots, run away ... Try one more time and run away. gate, come back with 3 others friends and try again or just move to another place.

In conclusion, u guys are spitting in the soep given to you for free.

You may be interested to know that people who partake in this type of behavior online (trolling/griefing/etc/etc) tend to be sociopaths (or have tendencies) in real life (according to some basic studies anyway).

Seriously man? Talk about glass half empty.

1. You're upset over CRYSTALS, of only which a few exist on the server.
2. Statloss on tames - TEMPORARY to take care of DDOS. Let's also not forget how well DDOS was taken care of, but instead nitpick.
3. CY Rune detection. Chris was testing and happened to let people use it. Everybody who has a secure or unsecure fort KNOWS if it is or not. Also, how many people have forts?
4. Moats, does that affect 99% of the population here? How many people have forts?

If you're talking about trammel, let's remove the upcoming bod updates that I know you and your friends are going to get into. Let's remove all instances so you will never use any of those slayers you collect. Let's remove the halloween event, the taming event, christmas events and lvl 7 tmaps. Get rid of all the fancy dyes that I know you have on your chars. If you're so upset at trammel, make a stand and don't attend any of those and trash any trammel items you have.

Like I said, glass half empty.

I am aware the CY check was temporary. It is my opinion that it was unnecessary coddling. How is how long moats have been 'in' relevant to the argument that their existence at all is anathema to the pre-Trammel eras that so many of us loved (with the respectful acknowledgment that those who feel otherwise are not "wrong" in any way)? Of course, I don't agree with disabling CYs either. L7 maps are not truly instanced, but you can collapse them and effectively make them so. Pet skill loss is the tip of a mighty iceberg that I won't touch re: tamers/bonding. Those crystals are garish reminders of the Nintendoization of UO, as are the occasional, rare florescent weapon drop. These are just a few examples. Taken individually, they are completely inconsequential (except maybe those crazy crystal drops), but I think what has the pre-Trammel enthusiasts' panties in a bunch is the whole gamut, which we feel, whether true or not, plots a clear trajectory. After all, more of these kinds of things are added over time and certainly not removed.

I can't speak for anyone else, because some of these gents seem to be having year long temper tantrums, but I'm not trying to cause you any grief. It is precisely because I value UOR immensely that I don't want to see it turned into a 90's Nintendo game. I enjoyed this game the most when it was/is a lawless place with very few, if any safe havens. The farther it gets away from that, the sadder it makes me. You look at the game differently now. You are concerned about new players and player retention and I realize that has fueled many of your decisions. I am not saying they are wrong. But I have yet to read an argument from you that satisfies the pre-Trammel enthusiast in me. Your heavy handed approach (the Trammel Hand of God) is because you care about us players, if you ask me. But can't I still disagree with it?

Edit: also I'm done talking about Trammel. I wanted to cast my stone, and it's cast. I'm sick of all the drama and bickering that has been happening and don't want to add to it.

I agree with Telamon and many others that this server needs less bickering and drama so I won't add anymore by debating you. I also truly believe there is no right or wrong as goes these things, only opinions.

We actually agree on many things. I think this thread has said enough, yes hopefully this thread will die now and not be simply moved to another thread.

Some see Felucca where I see exploitation of a flaw in the game mechanics. For instance: court-yards are in your friggin' house; it's just logical you control that space.

No, it's not your house. It's outside. See below for reasons...

1. Players can mark runes in courtyards. Players cannot mark runes inside player owned houses.

2. Creatures can spawn in courtyards. Creatures cannot spawn in player owned houses.

3. Trespassers of courtyards are not grey to home owners when in courtyards. Trespassers are grey to home owners while in player owned houses.

4. Items cannot be locked down or secured in courtyards by default. Items can be locked down and secured in player owned houses.

I'm sure this list could be expanded on but you get the idea.

No Vlar, you control that space when you turn off the CY recall function and treat it like a normal (well, without lockdowns) tile IN your house. A safe haven recall/gate CY should be able to be compromised, else it's too powerful. And it should be compromised without the exact knowledge about the rune marking situation in the CY. This CY checking function is for CY-owning vets only, who definitely should know better.

I interprete Trammel as risk vs gain in gameplay and not in the sense of bling bling items, which aren't a big issue here in my opinion (so far). This is the reason I choose 50%.

You sound like a lawyer. I'm talking about common sense. What the average person would assume if they'd never played the game. When the people who designed this game decided to put courtyards in people's houses do you really think they meant for this to happen? I don't.

The owner can toggle #1 and #2 is a bug actually.

Cys are a weird system.

If CYs have the most option enabled, then don't the home owners suffer as well? They can only enter via the front door which means that anyone could just sneak in behind them. Since it requires 24 hours to switch between "moat on" and "moat off" homeowners cannot just turn it back on when they are coming back home from a dungeon.

I think players will still have plenty of opportunity to break in to a lax or lazy persons home.

I put 60% but let me say I still love the server. I feel like History Perfected is more the main slogan and without the influences of Trammel more for marketing purposes. The instances I'm fine with as they are a reward for open world activites. I wouldn't like to see them become overly common (percentage of play time wise)...but I don't think they are at this time.

The forums seem a lot more negative lately but for me at least in game and even IRC interactions have been really good so I just try to check these less if I'm not in the mood for it. I feel that many of the negative people care a lot they just aren't trying to convince others more so than vent (or they need to work at it). A lot of the negativity is put in a humorous way though and I always enjoy reading that even though I'm sure it angers others (like the admins).

I started playing here in March. I have tried many free servers and no other server even compares to this server. The custom content (which I have yet to even experience much except for a few AMIBs with my guild) and the players in general have been amazing(except for PFR here lately). I've been too busy farming gold and building characters to even get into fishing or treasure hunting but I plan on doing both in time. I can see how some things on the server could be seen as trammel but I also consider myself a "powergamer" compared to most. Not all new players have played this game 10+ years and understand things to the level that some of the vets do. You have to soften things up a little for the less experienced or they will never figure it out!

I do wish all the bitching and moaning would stop. Its gets old after a while.

Where do these numbers come from? I am a bit confused. My large keep courtyard does not have 60 tiles in it and I know castles do not have 1500 tiles worth of courtyard that need to be "boxed in" to prevent recall/gate access. What am I overlooking?