Leveling, Experience and Perks

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I'll concede that

Taming control slots and potential for unlimited bonded pets is THE problem with tamers. Triple boxing of anything is the greatest detriment to every free shard that allows more than one account (almost all).

Having two dragons isn't a problem. Their damage output isn't a problem. Dexxers shouldn't be able to handle every single mob a tamer can. Nerfing something to please a few and disappoint many isn't a solution.

Something like a warrior quest would be cool. Making an assumption that because there is a tamer quest currently and not a dexxer quest thus only tamers are worried about here, isn't. It takes time to create this amount of large content. Have patience and people that enjoy using dexxers will more than likely be made happy as new content is released. The whole battle miner scenario was set up so dexxers have a new viable farming ability and you can make insane amounts of gold with little risk as has already been mentioned.

As has been said people with dexxers and provo bards can make 60k + an hour easy. People just need to put the time in. In the end those that don't like how tamers are but also haven't made their own, if you can't beat them join them. I didn't have a tamer on here for over a year when I first started and I accumulated massive amounts of gold.

Everyone talks about zero risk for tamers....well OK right now there isn't skill loss on rezzed bonded pets. It has already been established that this is temporary. What about people that exclusively just run BOD's for absolute zero risk? Or they run their 3 fisherman with almost zero risk and spend the rest of their time making money through instanced events such as AMIBS?

I see this for some turning into a have versus have not issue. ANYONE can get rich they just need to put the time in.

As far as encouraging multiplayer gameplay...sure that is great. The reality is that we are for the most part adults with lives of our own. I play primarily solo. I do so because of my time schedule. I get on when I can get on and having a guild to worry about is not something that is good for my time schedule. I am certain I am not the only one. Turning it into a necessity to have a group of people with you is unrealistic considering just the simple fact of the population that a free shard would have and the reason I mentioned above. There are people in large guilds that take advantage of large numbers but there shouldn't be a necessity for that. Multiplayer gameplay is already encouraged by the obvious advantages of having a group with you. If I want to farm on 3 accounts at the same time and also take the risk doing so, then so be it and I should be able to. This isn't siege. I rely on myself and myself alone and that isn't a problem at all.

Never losing dragons is a problem. Never needing more than reagents and bandages to make the most possible money in the game, doing the things one might remember doing in UO (dungeons and champs), is a problem.

Crafting is the way you make money in UO without risk. It is known.

I know I'm wasting my breath about hoping the shard would not only encourage multiplayer in an MMO but require it, for the greatest rewards, as well.


I can't farm until I find the perfect stat weapon to use forever so why should tamers be able to?

By reading everything, I personally don't think nerfing tammers is actually any good. The main problem is the difference on where a tammer can go, and where a dexxer can go. Some people say "go do this" or "make a tamer"... but what if I don't find FUN in a tamer? Am I supposed to play a template I don't really find fun to play just to get to the fun parts of the game?
And about "go there and kill this"... what if I'm not worried about how many gold I make an hour, but about how fun the pvm is for me? At the end, this is a game, and a game is supposed give me some recreation, not to be a work after the work.
The main problem here is that pure dexxers, provo dexxers, peace dexxers and any other dexxer template that don't rely on taming can't achieve the same spots as a tamer, because they can't handle the damage output of the monsters. Some monsters may almost insta-kill a dexxer!
As tamers have their ability to control mobs using their pets, dexxers can have some of it, like a peace dexxer. The problem is: a tamer can go toe-to-toe with anything. A peace dexxer, for example, will have a lot harder time trying to kill a ancient wyrm. And this is not even a miniboss. With gm peacemaking, using a slayer instrument, the odds to peace the ancient wyrm are still low, and you NEED a slayer instrument in order to peace it (even with gm instrument, the chance to peace it being gm musics and peacemaking is still 0%, since i't barding dificulty with a gm instrument is of 134, and anything with a barding dificulty 25 points higher than your peacemaking skill gets 0% chance to being peaced, same to provocation).
I think that some more protection should be included in higher armors, like plate, chainmail and ringmail, and maybe increase the parrying effectiveness and the amount of damage absorbed!
We already have weapons that increase damage output a lot, like the slayer weapons and the accurate weapons (+25 tactics is a huge increase in damage output). But what the damage is for, if you can't even get closer to your target?
I'm not here just for faming... I'm here because I think this is going to be a fun shard to play. And I think it'll be fun if I keep stuck in getting gargoyle shovels, mining for eles, kill eles, repeat. I want to adventure in the world, kill different things, find different places... not be stuck in one boring activity forever.

Even though I guess I'm sort of anti-tamer I don't want dexxers buffed to the point where they have the same efficacy. Dexxers can't go toe to toe with an ancient wyrm.. why should they.. it makes sense that two dragons however should be able to.

If you want to adventure as a dexxer some places you need to group and whats the problem with that?

I went on a group expedition into the delucia passage earlier and we got absolutely destroyed by the phoenixes, most of us died multiple times, but with better coordination we were eventually able to take them down and beat back the fire eles lava lizards and effreets that continued to converge on us.

This was VASTLY more fulfilling than saying all kill and collecting some loot a minute later. I like the idea of playstyles that require a certain degree of execution having the highest potential.

I will think twice before attacking birds after that expedition.
*shakes head*
Boy, that pheonix packed a serious punch.

Realizing that I've chimed in with suggestions too lately it had me thinking about my hasty behavior.


I was just thinking, be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it...
... along with 20 things other people wished for that you don't want.


There are many here because of the perfected bonding and taming rules. Earlier I made jabs at this content asking for nerfs and what-have-you.

However, if I joined the game after reading about some particular content on the website, getting excited, and training up a character only to have it nerfed... I'd be sore about it.

I'd also be hard pressed to recommend this server.

If there's balance between dexxers and tamers here to be had perhaps we should all slow down a minute and think about what it would be like if there were "bonded slayers" in the game (like many have requested).

Tamers with blessed slayer weapons, weapon skill, and tactics and a bonded pet?... oh my. I'd head straight for the door out of here.


Target switching AI? ... Okay, if it's in developer created unique instances... I came here to play "UO". If it gets any further away from the nostalgic renaissance I came here for I likely wouldn't stick around.


Game changing suggestions are great. Just think about them first, please.
Think what would a min/maxxer do with this ability?

Simply adding blessed slayer weapons without any other alterations would be a mistake.

Thanks to all two of you that are actually going to see this post and perhaps even reading it.

I agree! Get rid of pet bonding!

Plankton, plankton, plankton...

Please consider just a moment. Think about some of your favorite content in UO:R...
Now think about everyone saying, "Get rid of it"... and it actually happens.

Now honestly, how would you feel about that?


Get rid of the perfected unique fishing content. It's OP.

What harm would truly come of blessed slayer weapons if there were limitations on how many one could have? Slayer weapons are dogshit in pvp because they do reduced damage against anything that isn't their type. PKs still get all your other loot (mostly they care about gold and reagents anyway) and they aren't getting anything different when they kill tamers either. If what we all risk losing in the field is equivalent, that is balance. If I have to risk a half a fucking million gold to go enjoy the same pvm the way I want, and you risk a 2000g suit and some reagents, that's not balance, that's bullshit.

It's ok, enjoy the triple boxed champ humping. It's serving the shard really really well.

If you would please, can you define dexxer in your statement?

If you mean pure dexxer, I'm HIGHLY curious as to your claim about gold.

Yeah, because you have to be a BARD with a weapon skill to get anywhere near that.

Tamer/dexxer with slayer weapon.

Or a miner.

Pure dexxers were never meant to be a PvM monster anyway (they became with Samurai/Paladin additions which we all hate).

I don't think the real problem is with dexxers, the problem is with tamers. Just get tame slot to 5 and introduce pet skill/stat loss again and we'll be fine, I promise you that.

So a character that puts themselves at a risk of dying super easy? Sounds fine to me.
lol, the "whatever else" is Taming. 70 Mage and 30 med, you're gonna get your ass handed to you and need gate scrolls to get your pets around.

Pretty much this. I really honestly do NOT want blessed weapons. I just know that Telamon is never going to remove all the MAJOR CONCESSIONS tamers have been getting for the last three years here, since even Beta. As such, everyone should get their piece of the pie, not just the ones who stand around saying All Kill.

I thought I deleted that fast enough.

I don't put magery on anything just to "gate me around"... that's what a gate mule is for.

The point is, I do not want to see a damn blessed slayer weapon on a tamer that still has bonding as concession to a plea to balance dexxers.

That would be so bloody whack ass tardaloon my head would explode.