Man I ran into Genocide a few months ago when he came back. Ran into him right outside ice dungeon. I didn't realize he was in mumble with us (lol). I attacked him and before I could finish stripping him he had hit me twice with a DP war fork and fucked my shit up. I had to take off at roughly 20% hp. I stunned him, loaded gheal, and went for cure pot but the cure failed to cure and I had to drop my heal cursor to cure again. By the time he was baring down on me again right before someone in mumble said we were on the same team. Long story short that shit was lethal. Add explo pots on top and it can be extremely deadly in a team fight, even with mages, so long as the dexxer is supported as Cynic said. And yes, Sandro regularly hit the field with us on Torin regardless of the situation. It was just a matter of what he felt like playing that day. But he and I used to roll people up and smoke them (me on a Mage and he on his dexxer) in lopsided fights not in our favor.