is it good?

Been there, did it months ago choo choo.

That's just my point, Blackeye is using the early spawn excuse as a reason for all of us being unemployed. There were plenty of times that your "1am" was my 4am. Single most sensitive? By far. Don't confuse sensitivity for my previous attempts at attempting to keep things civil. You can go suck a fat cock though. I've come to the point where I don't give a shit anymore about keeping anything civil anymore.

It's also been a who's who of the gigantic fucking cry babies who refuse to group up and either do something about it or do their own thing.
I haven't benefited from the spawning group for months now, I just don't have the time, but yes I'll come to defend it because it's a lot of hard work and it's benefitting well over 15 players who continue to be active on this server because ofor this system.
You, however, are a negative Nancy who's contributed nothing. You complain, stir the pot, and point fingers at staff and certain players.
You can go fuck yourself too.

Did you ever?
Need I remind you that you were the man who started the great insulting horse name war of 2013, a man has put to pen classic works such as "Ballasdoublewide" and "MeslovesBBC"?

And not a soul complained when you guys did it. And not a soul will complain if you did it again, unless you don't invite Blackeye

We pointed out that the system was exploitable before it was implemented and while we were farming the shit out it.
We've always been honest about the fact that the system is flawed and not even as good as the old one, you can go back and view the threads where these changes were being discussed where several of us told you exactly what these changes would, and did, bring.

That we realized the ways in which the system was flawed long before any of you did really has no bearing on whether the system is flawed or not. "Y-You did it too" is just a smokescreen that you're throwing up to distract from the issue here.

That we farmed it earlier and more effectively than you did does not discredit those of us saying that the system has problems. Rather, it tends to speak to the problem that we have a good amount of credibility on this issue.

You seem to forget balla running around calling me a pig or spic? Of course yout would. I named my horse Ballas double wide, I was talked to, I stopped. The mes horse wasn't me, I've never had a personal issues with him to do that.
I've come to the conclusion that trying to be civil isn't worth it anymore so I don't give a shit.

So you did what these guys are doing it before these guys did it and it's a problem now that these guys are doing it.

Sounds legit dude.

The most fun I ever had on here was public harrowers. I miss those days.......

So your argument here is that he was uncivil too so it's fine that you were uncivil.
That doesn't sound very civil to me.

Not only was I saying it was a problem then, I was saying it was a problem before it was even implemented.
Your little diversion here is built upon the idea that TT thought the system was fine when we were farming it, and that is wrong. We have been critical of the changes to the harrower system since the discussion was opened on them, and several of us accurately predicted the sad state of affairs that those changes have led to.

Same

So is this the new drama thread after the IDOC crew, PKF, CPU, etc.?

This server sure likes its drama...

Keeps the boredom at bay

You call it drama some call it legitimate complaints/problems.

LOL, fucking napo talking about exploits. Go res with a bag of reagents on your cursor again you piece of shit. Oh right, that got patched out after you abused it to disrupt an event for new players. Fuckin loser. hahahahahah

In many respects, the public Harrowers reminded me most of what UO used to be like. This shard has never felt so populated or alive than it did during those events.

Oh, I meant exploit in this sense:
1) make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
Not in the sense that we demonize people for using game mechanics to the fullest. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm just going to ignore the stuff where you whine about years old perceived slights because we've done that song and dance before, many times. Kinda boring tbh, you should get some fresher material.

I won't even answer the childish attacks on my person or on my motivation why I call a shitty system shitty. I can't compete with the flood of silly lines that some of you plat train abusers (+ associated friends) can produce. Just one thing, I did two harrowers within that new system. The skulls for both of them were farmed during the open-to-all, newbie-friendly, IRC-announced Late Night Champs that Kane organized. This event brought life to the Shard during EU times and created a bond between many EU-time players. Like I said, it was announced officially and was open to all. If you think, I would be quiet if I had been on your plat train too, then you don't know me at all.


Back to the topic, people with their mind at the right place just need to consider several points:

1) What was the official motivation of the harrower changes? (#1, #2 , #3)

2) Did the harrower changes achieve these goals?
(- Server lag: worse than before and honestly, if the shard can handle the halloween instance it can handle any public harrower too.
- Risk vs reward: Not comprehensible especially when compared to every standard farming on the field.
- Additional introduction of difficulty: Nope, the harrower AI hasn't been changed in its difficulty.
- Plat economy: Same exponential growth of platinum coins, the distribution just changed from all hands to few hands.)

3) What changes happened and how did they affect the overall platinum coin economy? (Plat price @9k. All in the hands of a group. Some of these group members have 13 ethies and 15 blessed runebooks. Some just sit on thousands of platinum coins. The player base is in decline since some months (http://www.uorenaissance.com/serverstatus) while the overall platinum coin amount is still exponentially rising (http://www.uorenaissance.com/itemgraph/EED/PlatinumCoin/single))

4) Who benefits? What playstyle is supported by this new harrower system (hint: it has been mentioned by Cynic before). (Fact: One group/network of players does them all and alone. Secretive. Around 9-11AM EST on a weekly schedule. According to Cynic they 3-box tamers and have worked out rules etc. I supppose it is something similar to the IDOC rules)

5) Is that the system that people wanted here? (Definitely no. Before the harrower change, the whole shard had been complaining about the 3-box tamers. Also the public harrowers were widely accepted and the whole Shard gathered together for them. Nobody ever wanted a plat farm system for elite vet groups that can log-in during working hours. The people that are defending this system now, are people that stopped playing the UO as we knew it (e.g. farming on the field). People that have become accustomed to the 4x higher income per hour that they are achieving via the Staff-made, customized harrower system.

6) How accessible is that harrower system really? How pvp-risky is the system really? (There is a reason why only one group is doing them. There is also a reason why they are doing them at 9-11 AM EST. The option for newer players to organize 3-5 three-box tamers themselves is unrealistic. This Shard wasn't even able to sustain more than one IDOC group in three years. A combination of hardcore PKing, griefing, threats and simple bribing can't be beaten. Apart from that, competing PK groups have been cripled and threatened. Staff has been called for help, when Champs were harrased. People have been banned from IRC by Staff for spying out Champs or 'creating drama'. There is a huge system that prevents people from outright interrupting the plat train of the dominating plat train vets.)

7) How have previous economy breaking systems been handled? (Just remember the original pwn guild and barracoon champ abuse that was patched out, e.g. Champs have been significantly increased in difficulty.)

Answering these points is pretty though for newer players that aren't familiar with the shard and its history. But everybody who isn't satisfied with my answer in the brackets can read this thread from the beginning and can get a glimpse of what is going wrong here.

OR

You just don't care anymore. Like so many before and resignate. *shrug*

I don't know much about the Harrower runs and the people that do them so I'm just asking for clarification here.

Can't any group of people get together, collect skulls and run their own Harrower the same way? Or, is there a group that always steals them? Can they even be stolen anymore?