i still wonder if two dragons and a mare doesn't result in higher "damage done" to something like a champ or the harrower or an event boss or even persistent spawn that does not have breaks. obviously four mares will have a higher damage attribution to magery.. but once they're out of mana i think their advantages might be nearly gone or even get overtaken. another drawback is that in situations like last night's harrower, there are only like eight tiles that get to do melee damage. you're banking on getting four of those tiles for yourself.
I've tested the following things: - 2 dragons, 1 mare - 2 white wyrms, 1 mare - 4 nightmares - 8 hell hounds All have been very carefully picked among their peers, all trained to at least 3xGM in melee skills. And rest assured, data was kept (even if I can't find it at the moment). There are very few situations in which the 8 hell hounds (very similar in DPS to frenzies) were the *best* choice. It really only works best when: - you will be at a spawn for a long time - the spawn does not poison (via melee or claws) - the spawn does not hit too hard so as to pose a death threat to your hounds - you don't have to move much A good example of this would be those Dark Elf Rangers, or Cyclopean Warriors (but not Titans). For boss hunting, dragons and their unmitigated firebreath is best. Even for something like Elder Gazers, which spawn a boss rarely, I found dragons to be most efficient, because white wyrms take forever to kill them. And gating out to stable wyrms and grab dragons is annoying and time consuming. In terms of actual prolonged farming: For bosses: 2 dragons, 1 mare For boss generators: 2 dragons, 1 mare For high-end, non-boss generators: 2 wyrms, 1 mare (or 4 mares) For fun and being different: pack of frenzies or hounds or cats
Mares > drags/wyrms. Unless you are in an area that swarms. I have 4x mid 80 magery/90 resist mares that put in work! The only thing dragons have going is tankiness, mares attack way faster.
Agree with liberation. I think mares are honestly situational and overrated. They are great for burst dps, but sustaining it is an issue.
Awesome results so far guys! No one is going to test an axer or other dexer on this? Im sure someone can beat my fencers 7.5dps lol.
Keza Frost___19.69 dps 85/100/40 +20 scimitar of power no magic 5 Frost Spiders (all trained) + mount no summons GM Swords, 80 Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 55 Magery, 75 Taming Was hoping for more DPS with the 145 Dex on these guys but its all good and fun!
Hello all, I had WAY too much fun doing this test on my axer lol. I did find that a dexxer with an "okay" slayer can do about half the DPS of the 2 dragons & mare build. Take that all you OP tamers! Keza Axer___13.5 dps 100/100/25 +5 two handed axe of might and dragon slaying (did all the fighting with 85 tactics) no magic 1 forest ostard (trained ossytank) no summons GM Swords, 80 Tactics, GM Lumberjacking, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 30 Magery
@wylwrk yes I normally run my axer with a +20 - +25 weapon. All tactics at 100+ are the same so its a good place to pull some skill from.
Hi all, tested a few different tames this time. Had a lot of fun with it and learned a good deal in the process! Keza Fire____Grizzly Bears_14.4 dps____Lava Lizards_10.14 dps____Large Hell Cats_24.75 dps 100/41/84 (used bless often for 51 dex and 4 second vet heals) Spellbook Ebolt, bless, curse, Gheal, cure 5 Grizzly Bears (all trained) + mount__5 Lava Lizards (all trained) + mount__5 Large Hell Cats (all trained) + mount no summons 97 Magery, GM Meditation, 93 Taming, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 97 Cartography, 95 Lockpicking, loose points in EvalInt
Very surprised you saw such a difference between grizzlies and hellcats. Stats are very similar... avg base damage 10.5 versus 11 avg strength 141 versus 173 avg dex 100 (trained) versus 105 Hellcats have an edge in each category but not by much. Perhaps when subtracting out the armor of the dragons, that is what widens the gap significantly. What is your DPS for frenzieds? I expect them to have the highest of all the 5-pet packs.
@Dalavar there are a few reasons why the Hellcats out dps the Grizzlies so much: 1. You based damage, str, and dex on averages. I only keep tames that are within 5-10 points of perfect overall stats. This means most of my hellcats are near 185str/115dex. And most of my Grizzlies were near the max of 155str/105dex. 2. The base damage on a grizzly is 8-13, that = 16-26 with pack instinct. The hellcats are at a base of 5-17, which is 10-34 with pack. 3. 5 Hellcats means a free 50 damage burst at the start of each fight from firebreath. As for the my Frenzied ostard pack, it was posted at the start of this thread, 31.70 dps. Their base damage of 11-17 become an outrageous 22-34 as a pack! With that and the fact that they are rideable/colorful, still my favorite tames
Good stuff! Yeah I usually assume all these guys are near top-end, it doesn't change too much when comparing between different animals unless they have wide ranges. I'm not sure #2 means anything... 16-26 averages 21 damage and 10-34 averages 22 damage (<5% difference). With the firebreath, it always seemed to me that the animation for it took the pets out of melee combat for a little bit of time, which made me think it was usually a bad tradeoff (unless fighting a UOR-specific enemy that had reduced pet damage).
Keza Proto___21.1 dps 100/100/25 +15 Cutlass of dragon slaying no magic 4 Imps (mostly trained) no summons GM Swords, GM Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, ~90 Veterinary, ~75 Healing, 30 Magery, ~90 Taming Keza___20.3 dps 100/100/25 +15 War Hammer of Vanquishing no magic 4 Drakes (all trained) no summons GM Macing, 90 Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 30 Magery, 90 Taming Keza___38.5 dps 100/100/25 +15 War Hammer of Vanquishing no magic 8 frenzied ostards (all trained) no summons GM Macing, 90 Tactics, GM Anatomy, GM Animal Lore, GM Veterinary, 90 Healing, 30 Magery, 90 Taming
Did you let the Imps get back up to full mana after each dragon fight? I always thought that was the biggest issue with using them as pets. I saw a noticeable difference in killing times with my dragons when they got below 40 mana, so I tried to time bank runs at that time when I could.
No, imps damage was up and down because I farmed normal with them, ranged from 30 - 46 seconds. Just assumed they were always running out of mana.
