Free Use Duel Arena

Because many of us who joined the shard in Beta with the understanding that there would be automated events and tournaments, would not have spent over two years playing and supporting the shard, if that weren't the case.

There's plenty of shit like that on other shards where you can bring in your crew to completely shit on the 'event' because it's in Felucca. I'm sure you foster many fond memories of shenanigans like that on OSI, but unfortunately for you, you'll have to stick to dicking over public Harrowers.

If SL wants field fights so bad, what's the big deal. Mes and others claim they find fights every single day. Not sure what the problem is. You want no events? I can suggest some shards that cater to that desire quite well. This isn't one of them and won't be unless it wants to die a cold boring death.

Wow.

There's also plenty of shit like automated events and tournaments on other shards, so maybe bad call on spending two years here waiting for that?

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I'm still waiting for the population explosion from duels and CTF to kick in, any moment now. If you squint your eyes just right, you can see the little bump for Fwerp and PaxRomain after the CTF arrow though.

welp im hoping true brits will start back up again . but last i checked CoM was having a hard time finding fights w u guys


edited to say : i have no right to even debate this cause well, i have nothing in it yet. But i really hope true brits starts up

Dalavar, I know you're just as much of a n00b here as Mes. I've been playing CTF here since 2012. Please refer to these images date-stamped in my folder for 12/12/2012.



Considering these events were being played when there were about 100 clients online, there certainly has been a sizable increase in population since then.


Welcome to Renaissance.

I don't think you can use that graph to support any argument as to whether one thing or another contributed to the servers population increase/decrease.

There are certain areas of the graph that I can't pinpoint the reason as to the huge uptick in online players. Take for example January of 2014. The patch notes for that timeframe show website improvements as the major aspect of the patch. This is also the time where the XMas event winds down.

Don't forget that retention of current players aren't factored into these graphs either. There are people that have gone from/to refresh mode (leaving accounts idling to collect platinum) based upon certain additions/subtractions of content. There really isn't a huge uptick in new players during the seasonal events either, yet I don't think you can argue that player activity in game is much higher during these times.

When I decided to start on this server it wasn't because there was a certain event going on, or CTF, or additions that OSI/other servers do not have. I joined because I saw a solid server that appeared stable and had a thriving community. I've stayed mostly because of friends but also because of ongoing content which keep me from getting absolutely bored. Certain changes, and people, over the year have left a bad taste in my mouth but i continue to play because I continue to find the game enjoyable in other aspects.

TL;DR I argued that the graph Dalavar posted cannot be used to prove any one thing as a contribution to a population increase, including CTF/Duels/PvP.

You have to keep in mind, Dalavar, that these two guys are just here to disagree with me. You'll never accomplish anything by engaging them. They aren't going to listen to reason or logic. They are not going to respond with reason or logic. It is 100% genetic fallacy. I typed it, therefore they showed up to disagree. And their points will be pushed by sheer volume and browbeating (both here and to telamon in private.)

The point is some people have been on this forum and in telamon's ear saying for a while now saying that automated events are what made UOSA popular and if they were brought here it was proven to create a thriving pvp scene. And it has failed every time - and in my opinion, will continue to do so as we get farther from UO with each instance.

Actually, I'm here to play UOR and have conversations about it when I have the time (much more time for talking than playing, as an adult with a job at a keyboard). You're here to complain about PvP, events, community, differing opinions and people not patting your back for abusing bugs.


Can you please come up with some new choice terms and stop browbeating us with your tired arguments about how other people have opinions that don't jive with yours?
The claim about who's in Telamon's ear and claiming anything, is completely fabricated. You're a dork and a newb here and actually put your own foot in your mouth when you trash talked the shard. But hey, you're welcome to run along back to AoS because that was soooo much more UO than UOR is now.



lol genetic fallacy

I actually never responded to Mes, and I've stayed out of this thread for the most part because anytime I post something in the same thread as Mes he seem's to think I'm doing so because of him. If you re-read my post it was directed at Dalavar.

I never played on UOSA, or any other free server for that matter, I don't know how this system exactly succeeds or fails on other servers. I see how I personally enjoy it on this server (as well as many others) thus I have a personal interest in arguing for it, much like I've argued for anything that has personally brought me enjoyment on this server.

Also, I do believe my reply was full of logic. You can twist it however you want to, you can't seem to avoid doing so, and any reasonable person will see that I had no other intention but to argue against Dalavar's use on that graph.

You love to use the term "browbeating".. read through my post again, at no time was I browbeating. Now read yours.

What sense did any of that just make, honestly? You're going to type noob and nerd and think you proved something?

What sense does it make that you're here championing for removal of automated events, yet you had nothing to do with the inception of the shard or growth in the early days. This shard has been clear about the intention to have these events since Beta and probably drawing board days. It's not going to change because some guy who "only plays here because there's no where better" doesn't like it.


Carry on bro. Don't you have some daily field fights to attend to? I understand your ego is probably as big as mine but really.....this isn't about you.

Do you think that because you joined this server a few months before me that you know better what it should or could be? Does it say in the description of the server that it's Blaise's server and whatever his current terrible idea is the right direction?

No, it says this on the front page:


UO:Renaissance is an Ultima Online free-shard, based on Renaissance era mechanics, without the influences of Trammel.

Designed and operated by passionate PvM and PvP experienced staff, that do not play here, this recreation aims to perfect what we all loved about Ultima Online before its decline. A highly immersive game with seemingly limitless possibilities coupled with risk vs reward, this world is what the players make of it. Offering an extensive crafting system with the best free shard economy, PvP mechanics with more templates than you'll have the time for and PvM with more challenge and data than ever before. This is the shard to play on if you want to truly enjoy Ultima Online.


I hope you take the time to read those words and ask yourself if my arguments are aligned with it.

Try not to use actual quotes when you want to infer what you think I am saying. Use actual quotes for things I actually type. If there was a better server for what I want in UO, I'd probably play it. How is that a bad thing? What I do say regularly is this is the best server to play on. I have a vested interest in keeping it that way. The other servers out there have absolutely ran the opposite direction of what I think a renaissance era UO server should look like. Also, no idea what you're trying to say about AoS. Reach more?

@Cynic in truth I think you just came to this thread to backup blaise (who is only here to follow me from thread to thread turning them into shit posts.) You might not be driving the bus, but you're certainly wearing a helmet and licking the windows. If you had some comment about the original thread, you would have or could have made it (and done so prior to now.) But you showed up to disagree with Dalavar who was supporting my point and putting Blaise in a much needed timeout. I wonder, why did neither of you quote pax romain and make personal attacks about him and tell him it's your server and he's a newb? Well I think we both know the answer to that. And all you really said was you like automated events. We knew that already, but consider your voice heard.

Now that you guys are here, this thread is doomed, even more so if I keep posting or responding to you -

so I won't. It seems pretty clear that others can carry on the discussion without me, anyways.

How long will it take you then to realize that I follow the forums. You just happen to be on them too and more often than not calling people's ideas terrible, and calling people names like a schoolyard crybaby. If you want to point out that I do too, you should understand that I didn't start returning your favors until your arguments got so weak you resorted to it yourself.

As for who's shard this is and who's ideas are taken into consideration, it is Telamon's shard alone and he actually listens to everyone, despite what many think. Oh, I mean, until they turn their back and start taking stabs at his practices because they're bitter that they have no control or ability to make this their version of "perfect".

I do look forward to the day when you realize that I've been posting here at length, and on a mutual shard of many folks here, long before anyone knew who you were. My comment about AoS is a guess, maybe a bad one, at where you were before you came here. It seems clear to me that you don't know much about freeshards based on your replies and commentary.

Yeah, that was kind of my point, that you can't really pinpoint any clear jumps from any particular change. But if you listen to the historical conversation about CTF and events (including duels and tournaments and whatnot), you would think it would be some kind of population bonanza once those were implemented.

My primary concern is that the free-use, outside-world events that occur don't bring significantly more people to the shard, but they do get people hooked to that kind of gameplay, and then if anything happens with those specific mini sub-games, they leave.

UO:Renaissance is an Ultima Online free-shard, based on Renaissance era mechanics, without the influences of Trammel. (ctf is trammel)

Designed and operated by passionate PvM and PvP experienced staff, that do not play here, this recreation aims to perfect what we all loved about Ultima Online before its decline. A highly immersive game with seemingly limitless possibilities coupled with risk vs reward, (u are not risking anythin at ctf cos its trammel) this world is what the players make of it. Offering an extensive crafting system with the best free shard economy, PvP mechanics with more templates than you'll have the time for and PvM with more challenge and data than ever before. This is the shard to play on if you want to truly enjoy Ultima Online. (yea this is why im here)


people are flooding "ctf pleaseeeeee" on irc while dungeons gettin emptier.

ultima online is felucca. one world not enough?

Speaking of licking windows. Go back to page one. Look at one of the very first replies to the thread. Now try to pay attention: I indeed replied, before you, regarding the topic of this thread.

I never came to this thread to make personal attacks in the least, it's YOU who started those shenanigans, yet again. Your attitude has become so toxic on these forums and it's obvious to everyone that doesn't buy your bullshit.

I don't agree with everything Blaise has to offer, take for example his 3x Bod runner thread, I don't agree with him there. However, since my participation in the BOD game is on such a low level I don't feel I have anything to contribute to that thread and thus I stay out of it. You should probably consider that with anything CTF since you contribute nothing but garbage for the system that you never participate in.

There should be no reason to quote anyone else in this thread unless I have a significant reason to disagree with them.

And all you've said in this thread is how you don't like automated events, Blaise, or Cynic. Everyone knows that already too. You're like a broken record in every thread and you love to twist everything I, or anyone who doesn't cup your balls, has to say. You need to get over it, it's not always about you.

I will agree that this thread is completely ruined, but it's because of your toxic attitude.

I don't think it does much of either really. People are arguing from intuitions and preferences when the truth is we have a wealth of evidence. The RunUO era has been going on for over a decade, and there's simply no positive link between how minimalist your server is and the PvP scene.

Take for example that other UO:R shard. It has far more "trammelized" PvP features than here, like 24/7 CTF. Yet it still has a more active fielding scene.

I also played Hybrid for years when it was at its peak. It had a thriving 24/7 dueling scene with 8 arenas that were not only "trammelized" for the duelists but all spectators too. It had an array of PvP events -- CTF, Last Man Standing, 1v1/2v2/3v3 tournaments, etc. that always had 100-300 participants. It's economy was utter garbage since you could buy millions of gold straight from the donation shop. Despite all these candy land features, it also had what most would consider the largest and most competitive fielding scene in the free shard era.

I should clarify that I don't think PvP thrives on those servers because of those features, or that we need them here -- just that their mere existence is not the bane of field PvP as some people in this thread suggest. It's one thing to argue for some aesthetic ideal ("No real felucca server should have automated events or arenas") and something else entirely to confuse non-implementation of your preferences as being the central problem with this server's PvP activity. It's not.

I was talking with HMU the other day, and we both agreed this server is great. But for some reason it has problems attracting PvPers. Neither of us really know why. But it's laughable to suggest that it's because of its newer CTF system or its two meager duel arenas. If you don't like them because they conflict with your vision of what UO should look like, then okay. That's a respectable position.

Mesdoram Salt

STAVROGIN, there's no risk in Holiday Event instances either but I don't hear anyone complaining about their holiday coin piles they got for bringing nothing (as designed) to the event.
While there are intentions to have risk vs reward here, we all know full well that some things have been, and will be, implemented that are just fun. CTF is one of them. There's no less risk in going to CTF than pulling BoDs. The latter of which happens to be one of the largest wealth generators in the game. I daresay I think the statement should be edited to say "work for reward" because clearly removing risks from mini-games within UOR is an ongoing thing that will not stop. Telamon is making a shard that players have fun playing and if inability to grief every single aspect is such a problem...well, I dunno what to tell you.

u need scrolls to do holiday events and i was 24/7 at dungeons to get em. dont be stupid.