In Game Questions?

just to note...I learned recently...that making people THINK you are bottting/unattended macroing will still be considered a bannable offense...even if you are not doing that.

i WAS trying to make people think i was using 3rd party programs in this game. I have been doing that ever since I created my first mingin macro. I have learned my lesson that just making people THINK that I was using unathorizied programs is detrimentale to the server. In my mind...it was up to the player to figure that out...but in reality it was not helpful to the general populus of the server.

So my questions now not to circumvent the system, but to make sure I do not break the rules. I do not know how UO was when it was "live"...so i rely on the staff to inform me of what is acceptable.

If looting other peoples kills is not acceptable...I will PROMPTLY stop doing that IMMEDITTLY!

I'm not sure what "mess" you've meant hear Blaise...I've been running my mining macro NON-STOP since around 8/4/14. I have gathered about 200k iron ingots and countless other colored ingots. As you are FULL aware...i have NEVER been AFK while running my mining macros. so I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here.

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Gideon...i really love you...and i want the best for this server...as you can attest...based on what i have done for you.

i honestly just want answers to my questions. :/

Ok...sorry for my "rant"...i have just been informed be "Pertnear" that looting other players kills is considered a bannable offense.

Just to be clear. My question was is looting another players kills is acceptable? and the answer was "No"


So....don't loot other players kills.

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I guess I will not loot someone elses kill.....becuase "PertNear" stated to me that "No"...that' it was not acceptable...and that it was a bannable offense.

Honestly...i just wanted this to be made public...that it was ILLEGAL to loot someone elss kill. that it was bannable offense. if that means that my accounts will be banned...than so be it. I have admitted that i have looted others kills.

Thank you PertNear for making this CLEAR that looting others kills is a bannable offense.

Although I feel this is all rhetorical, it would be nonsense for there to be a ban for looting someones kills. It's annoying, but the person getting robbed should just drop said thief as a recourse or continue playing somewhere else.

You may not get answers because they see how rhetorical this all seems as I do.

how is this rheotorical? i do not know what the rules of this server are. I do know that EA servers found this as a bannable offense. Should i ASSUME that this staff sees it as the same?

To be clear...i was banned from Lake Supieror server for looting other players kills. I just want to know if that is inappropriate on this server. (and as i've stated....i've tried to get this answered in PRIVATE IRC PM already)

I'm sorry I suppose that this was in fact not rhetorical.

All I know is I don't loot others kills, but people have done it to me and I just attack them either with the char im using at the time or I bring in an alt. I would be really surprised if this is bannable....that would be terribly trammy. Might as well not let anyone loot corpses until after the corpses turn grey and yata yata.

Well...i would assume as much Andersonious...but things that I would think would be considered "trammy" have been definatevaly been stated as being "discouraged" per the Code of Coduct. Which...by the definition of the Code of Coduct....looting other poeples kills would be considered a voilation of the shard rules.(i.e. discouraging of players) Hence why I would like a DEFINETIVE verdict on whether looting other player kills is considered against the Code of Conduct.

i.e. When I get looted by another player...that is VERY discouraging...which...by the Code of Coduct...is against the rules.

Hmm

I see what your saying. I wouldn't think it would be a bannable offense and it certainly shouldn't be on a free shard with a felucca ruleset.

As far as OSI goes and your getting banned there for that: I am not surprised at all by that. OSI catered to the paying customers and ruined this wonderful game by coddling all those people, thus the creation of trammel and all the garbage that went along with it and after it.

I agree with you: a definitive answer on this would be nice.

Also I will throw in that anyone that spends there time going to farming spots just to loot other peoples kills are lamers plain and simple. That doesn't make it something that should cause someone to be banned though. There are plenty of griefers around here that play solely for that. As those I speak of may be lamers, they shouldn't be banned unless there is continued harassment or something going on then maybe that would change the situation.

I Loot Others Kills all the time and am not banned...

Lets use a little common sense and try to figure this one out on our own instead of always asking "Mother May I?"

Which of the following scenarios do YOU think is appropriate, inline with Felucca and NOT Doucehbaggery?

1. I ask.. Hey you gonna skin that dragon?
2. I loot seemingly abandoned kills - Hey thars GOLD on this here dragon and a VANQ
3. I don't ask, I just swoop in and skin and/or Loot and move on
4. I constantly hide/steal/stalk someone farming and take every corpse's loot

I don't feel that every question ever asked has to be answered... This shit is common sense in most cases. I find that most people want to know each and every rule, law or guideline not to follow them, but to find loopholes to get around them.

Staff has been very clear that everyone gets one warning...sometimes more when an error is made in good faith.


And not to open another can of worms, but why in the hell would you want to make people think you are running a 3rd party program that announced in chat the comings and goings of people at Destard? Douchebaggery....

If the comings and goings of dastard entrance are that important to you, do it attended, RP it, hell I will even friend you to my house there

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You guys getting hardcore trolled.

My answer would be that none are bannable. There are SO many ways and places to farm and make gold, certainly if you can't do as others suggest and kill the thief, you can just recall. Good luck stalking a recall.

yeah you are probably right... no one is that dense...

btw Trolling = Douchebaggery

LanDarr, you mention "inline with Felucca". I'm all for that and understand that completely. The thing I do NOT know is, what actions in game are inline line with Felucca gameplay? When OSI servers were out, I started the game when Trammel was here. I spent VERY VERY little time in Felucca, and when I did go there to goto Khaldun, if I would get PK'd, I paged a GM for harrassment. (tells you that I only went there once....doesn't it) So I'm not familiar with what is "inline", point me to a website please that defines what is permitted and this can be over.

Another thing to note, Chris has brought to my attention, and I have seen the error in my ways, that making people THINK you use 3rd party programs (this includes when I was mining) is harmful to the server. I will not do that. While we were having a conversation, he asked me to go over the Code of Conduct line by line, and I did. I was not released from jail/that conversation until I understood that Code.

Within that Code of Conduct is a section on discouraging other players. It points out that there ARE some forms of discouragement that are allowed. I understand the items listed there are allowed, and will not page if I get PKd. But....since there ARE items of discouragement that are allowed, that leaves a grey area...open to interpretation. Am I to assume that ALL allowable items of discouragement are listed there?

Please consider this scenario for a moment. Last night I hopped on my bard, Rhianna. When I began recalling around to farming hot spots, my goal was to loot other peoples kills to the point they got so upset they killed me. It worked and I was able to give many murder counts last night. Now note....to drive someone to the point of them killing another...is QUITE discouraging. (blue killing blue) I know when someone loots my kills, I find it discouraging.

So....according to the Code of Conduct last night, I was breaking the rules.

Now, the reason I went ahead and did it anyway, was because in my mind, I thought this was "inline with Felucca". I opened the Code of Conduct and re-read it....again...to look for anything about this topic. There was nothing listed. So I sent in a page to clarify it. My page sat there for over 2 hours (6PM CST is when I put in the page, so not during off peak hours). And then when I got an answer, they said they could not help me with that. WHAT?!?!?!

Staff does not know what is allowed and not allowed on this server?