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The parts of this game that use "base" skill (as opposed to displayed) should be few and far between.

Also, to save you guys some effort... just check your % chance of success in the tailoring menu before you try to craft something for skill gain. If that number is 0%, or 100%, you will not get any gains. It's that simple.

You know, It didn't even dawn on me to check that. I've gotten so lazy and used to following these guides pretty much verbatim... Doing this probably could have saved me some time and cloth!

Take a look at this thread
http://www.uorenaissance.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1611

I posted the results of a GM tailor I made recently at ridiculously low material cost.

I'm just doing some research on how to best gain Tinkering. This seems to be A LOT less complex than Blacksmithy so I won't create my own guide for it.

My results so far indicate, that "Hammers" are by far the best thing to get started with after you bought your skill to 30 from an NPC.
And as soon as your SHOWN skill reaches 45.1 you should switch to lockpicks. It doesn't make sense to continue hammers any longer than 45.1 SHOWN skill.
Even though your success rate for lockpicks is below 1%, you still gain very very well.

I will update this with more details on how to complete the skill once you don't gain on lockpicks any more.

It took me almost PRECISELY 1250 Ingots from 30 REAL skill to 50 REAL skill. Awesome gains !!!
That's on Test Shard though. Needs to be verified on Production ...
End result on Test Shard : 2500 Ingots from 30 REAL to 65.8 REAL doing Hammers & Lockpicks from 45.1 SHOWN skill
Another 3000 ingots burned on Test Shard starting at 66.0 REAL skill only doing Lockpicks and I ended up with 86,8 real skill.
It feels like you could reach GM with another 5k ingots ... let's find out !

Okay my Test-Shard Char is now GM using 17,5k ingots. That's about 5k ingots less than I thought !
Once I have the ingots to replay this on production shard I will verify this. The path is simple and as explained here. Craft Hammers until you reach 45.1 SHOWN skill. Make lockpicks until you reach 94 and craft heater stand until GM. More than half the ingots were used from 94 to GM (9k ingots)
Very frustrating ! Might be able to safe 1-2k ingots when switching between scales, heater stands and spyglasses.

Here's some experience from my Production Shard Tinker. Started off at 32, I first crafted Tinker Tools for 160 ingots just to have enough.
32.0 - 33.2 : 160 Ingots Tinker Tools
33.2 - 42.7 : 500 Ingots Hammer
42.7 - 66.7 : 2000 Ingots Lockpick

Awesome, gains on production shard were even better than on test !!! A little more than 2500 ingots brought me from NPC-bought 32 to a whopping 66.7 REAL SKILL

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Was just raising lockpicking and was able to switch to GM lockboxes at 82 shown lockpicking. Figured this may take away from the ?? status of lockpicking currently.

If you want to add a short guide about Herding, I just GMed that last night and it was almost as easy as Meditation.

- Get a Herding Staff (If you select Herding as a starting skill on a char you will get a newbied Herding Staff)
- Create a macro : Doubleclick on Staff, click on Animal, Click on the ground, Pause 0.2 seconds
- Optional: Start off herding a low level animal like a sheep until you have a high success rate. (Skill should be around 45 shown now)
- Alternative: Buy you herding skill to 30 from a NPC at some stables
- Go to the Jhelom Bulls, hide and herd. You can herd while hidden and you can GM off bulls. No idea how long it took but it worked over night.

*note: this guide was made before smithing failure returned half of the ingots; consequently, players will see a better return and overall ingot use closer to 40,000*

Here's three GM Blacksmiths I made and their paths:

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55.0      77.5       15,000   katana
77.5     100.0       41,500   plate gorget
                     56,500 total ingots

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55.0      84.1       20,000   kryss
84.1      91.8       10,000   katana
91.8     100.0       22,750   plate gorget
                     52,750 total ingots

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55.0      72.3       10,000   cutlass
72.3      94.5       20,000   short spear
94.5     100.0       17,500   plate gorget
                     47,500 total ingots

The first tried to mimic the suggested route here, the third one was my attempt at just doing the lowest-ingot items until they had 90-95% chance to be successful, and the middle was kind of a hybrid.

As you can see, following the third path would save you roughly 9,000 ingots versus the current guide. This is largely because the low ingot cost per item, and the high success rate and resmelting, allows you many more attempts at gains per ingot.

However, I think you can push this a bit further. Looking at my precise skill gain buckets (below), here's what I would suggest:

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55--> 72 kryss
72--> 90 short spear
90-->100 plate gorget

This route should save you about 10,000 ingots versus the Katana & Plate Gorgets method.

If you're feeling really thrifty, you can further optimize this by:
(a) starting with 10 Strength as opposed to 100, which would lead to a displayed Blacksmith skill of around 50.5 to 51.0, instead of 55.0.
(b) possibly substituting a cutlass in for the kryss for 51 to 60 or so. (The cutlass was ever so slightly better thank the kryss from 55 to 60, but within the margin of error, so for ease of macroing and remembering, I just recommend the kryss throughout the early stages).

Here is my full table:

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End    Ingots/gain    Item
59.1    42    cutlass
59.2    60    katana
59.5    56    kryss
63.2    61    cutlass
62.4    78    katana
64.4    51    kryss
68.5    47    cutlass
67.7    47    katana
69.2    52    kryss
72.3    66    cutlass
71.0    76    katana
71.5    109    kryss
76.7    57    short spear
74.9    64    katana
74.6    81    kryss
80.7    63    short spear
77.5    96    katana
78.4    66    kryss
84.1    74    short spear
79.6    119    plate gorget
81.6    78    kryss
88.1    63    short spear
81.8    114    plate gorget
84.1    100    kryss
89.8    147    short spear
84.4    96    plate gorget
86.8    93    katana
91.6    139    short spear
86.2    139    plate gorget
88.6    139    katana
93.5    132    short spear
88.4    114    plate gorget
90.5    132    katana
94.5    250    short spear
90.9    100    plate gorget
91.8    192    katana
95.7    208    plate gorget
92.0    227    plate gorget
92.8    250    plate gorget
96.2    500    plate gorget
93.3    192    plate gorget
93.9    227    plate gorget
94.6    192    plate gorget
95.0    227    plate gorget
95.7    227    plate gorget
97.9    147    plate gorget
98.6    357    plate gorget
96.3    192    plate gorget
99.1    500    plate gorget
97.3    250    plate gorget
99.4    833    plate gorget
97.6    833    plate gorget
100    417    plate gorget
98.4    312    plate gorget
99.1    357    plate gorget
100    306    plate gorget
96.8    227    plate gorget
97.7    278    plate gorget
98.2    500    plate gorget
99.1    278    plate gorget
99.3    1250    plate gorget
99.8    500    plate gorget
100    750    plate gorget

Awesome research Dalavar !

You actually did go through it ... and it looks like that's a major improvement over the katana/gorget method.

Did you look at the post I made about blacksmithy gains ? Pretty much goes along with cutlass/kryss crafting early on ...

Yes, I sure did. The parts I'm least certain about are the very beginning (up to 60 or so) and the changeovers. It's definitely worth more testing of kryss versus cutlass, and perhaps maul as well.

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Katana -> Gorget -> Leggings -> Chest doesn't use ~50k ingots, it probably uses around 57k. The katana -> gorget method uses around 55.5k according to your testing, and 56.5k in mine. I think that one is pretty nailed down.

I'm just working on a scribe and will try to keep track of resources consumed.
One thing I can confirm is that copying books will bring to to exactly 50.0 SHOWN skill.

This also means that there is absolutely no reason to ever take Inscription as a starting skill since you can basically reach 50 skill (well technicalls 45.4 real skill) for the price of two books.

More to follow.

Mining by the numbers:

Approximately 1500 ingots used to craft materials with my tinker (85 skill)
Approximately 375 shovel/pickaxe used
Approximately 1200 recalls each 200~ stones each. Lots of empty packs early on!
Approximately 100,000 stones worth of ore
0 Jail Sentences
Less than 24 hours, I never noticed gains slowing down like other skills
Total Ingots: 17,323
Iron: 14698
Dull Copper: 822
Shadow: 648
Copper: 522
Bronze: 234
Golden: 248
Agapite: 123
Verite: 27
Valorite: 1
Approximately 140,000 gold for all you newer players.

I ran a character with 0 mining and no glove bonuses through a recall mining script for these numbers. I did not smelt with intentions of minimizing failures on the high end colors.

Using Dalavar's blacksmithing method I've gotten from 72 to AT LEAST 90's with only 15k ingots.

Tried the Dalavar method for smithing.

Took 49190 ingots to go from 50-GM...

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Perhaps it has something to do with the stats. My crafter is 100 str - 42 dex - 82 int (trying to raise int but sometimes a stat goes down before the other one goes up)

You want more input on Inscription ? This skill SUCKS !!!

I just decided to make a scribe because 8th circle scroll prices were hillarious.

Well I copied Books (just need two books and copy them over and over) up tod 45,4
From then on, I had to scribe real scrolls.

45,4 - 58 Recall Scrolls (1000 Attempts, 776 Scrolls return)
58 - 74,2 Mark Scrolls (1500 Attempts, 672 Scrolls return)
74,2 - 94,8 Gate Scrolls (4000 Attempts, 2172 Scrolls return) <=== This should have been FLAMESTRIKE Scrolls
94,8 - GM Ressurection (1500 Attempts, 500 Scrolls Return) <=== This should have been all kinds of 8th circle scrolls used to fill Spellbooks

Don't take this as a guide though ! First, you should realize no one wants your stinking scrolls. You might be able to sell some Recalls and some Mark scrolls but the rest is just trash. Craft Flamestrike Scrolls as the 7th Circle scroll since they cheaper than Gate and Gate scrolls don't sell nearly as good as I thought.
For best gains you might wanna switch to 8th circle a bit earlier and there's hardly any 8th circle scrolls that sells well. Since you might want to complete some spellbooks later on it's a good idea to craft all 8th circle scrolls and keep them. Alternatively, EQ scrolls sell occasionally but are rather expensive to make.

You can use the Flamestrike Scrolls you crafted to train Resisting Spells or sell them to PKs. PKs love them Flamestrike scrolls as they never fizzle and mess you up real good.

Oh yeah and the costs were >100k ... meh² ! I bet you can get it for 80k though if you make Flamestrike instead of Gate and switch to 8th circle earlier.

How much would you had made back if you had sold your scrolls to NPC vendors?

Recall - 18 * 776 = 13,968
Mark - 26*672 = 17,472
Gate - 30*2172 = 65,160
Res - 34*500 = 17,000

Grand total of: 113,600gps

Sooooooo...had you sold your scrolls to NPC's, you could say you raised inscription for free. Had you made FS scrolls (and maybe EQ), you probably could have come up ahead.