Suggestions for the duel arena(s)

just remove the irc duel messages

Never! That irc messages are a huge part of the allure of the dueling arenas. On that note, 2v2's are currently not announcing in IRC and that is just not right.

I was going to come and say this was trammel, but I gave it a second thought.

It's actually some step beyond trammel.
Trammel is people asking to be protected from nonconsensual pvp.
This is people who willingly signed up for factions asking to be protected from oranges in public areas.

This may be the case, however your argument and incoherent rambling are moot and the fact still remains, that this is an issue and no different than advertising something in IRC to lure and grief (which is not legal on ANY server, not just UOR). I was trying to keep names out of the thread, but since were going to scratch that surface, this fix would be as is stands, directly geared towards SL - which is why someone such as yourself, who has barely dueled a single duel in his UO lifetime, has gauged so much interest in my little topic. Once all of these little unfair playing fields have been leveled, yourself and your guild as a whole, will basically be left with nothing left to do on this server.

Horse killing will always be there for you though, should the desire to 'pvp' arise.

I do, however, feel sympathy for some of the members of your guild who have actually shown an interest in real pvp, but are being handicapped due to poor guild leadership while the newer players are surpassing their skillset.

I dueled the best players this era ever saw daily - ie tomoyaki, tons of guns, metalhead- from QOP on test center. I also was the guy that asked for cast recovery changes on this server during summer 2013 and spent hours on UOR test center with sandro working on them.

I haven't practiced it since late 2013 when Roman showed back up and handed me my ass. I just find it boring lately. It's not like there aren't rows of 1v1 tournament trophies on my roof.

fyi dueling is explicitly not real pvp

OK sweet, so no PKing in Covetous 1?

If people seeking PvP with their characters designed for PvP need additional Trammel considerations to ease their way into it, it just seems to me that people not seeking PvP with characters not designed for PvP should get equal to, or more, Trammel considerations.

I am kind of in disbelief, but I'll take your word. But case in point, someone who doesn't duel arguing with such vigor over a duel arena change that would prevent disadvantageous griefing to someone who freshly exits a duel - I think we all get the idea of where you stand.

I think dueling is a pastime as old as UO and regardless of whether I want to do it right now it should be preserved and I hope people enjoy it.

I don't however think safe zones and automated safe areas are what I would like to see in a supposed felucca server. People with balls will duel in the open and be prepared to gank duel disruptors or escape. People running organized tournaments will do them inside large houses and be prepared to ban people. This is how it was in the era, and just how I like it personally.

I only remember one tournament that was done by UO staff - the tournament of champions - and it was 2v2 and I don't recall them even finishing the finals out.

And this is not to say that all things must be era accurate. I just personally would prefer a server with feluccan mechanics - outside the young program, which I have no issue with.

Cool

Agreed, which is why the simple cool down timer would be plenty efficient. We are already aware of the types of things you would like to NOT see fixed, so this statement is redundant.

Unfortunately, you aren't playing an 'era accurate' server, is it considered 'era perfected'. That said, my proposed fix has nothing to do with tournaments. They are fine as is. The Tournament of Champions, (a cross shard tournament on OSI) was finished out. The winners were a guy who played Great Lakes named Miner and his team mate.

It's funny because you've already mentioned the actual solution for this problem, pill.
Don't show up to public places on an orange unless you want to deal with the possibility of dealing with oranges. If you guys don't want to deal with faction pvp, come on blues.

I've never heard of the ToC being finished out. This is what I read:

The Tournament of Champions was held in the last quarter of 2002. Each shard had teams of two sign up to fight in the tournament. The original plans would have the champion team of each shard compete in a tournament to be held on the Test Center shard. Regrettably that never happened. I was able to speak with Salvatore and NeoBahamut recently about what they did to win the Tournament of Champions and to get their view on PVP in UO today.

http://www.thehonorempire.org/forums/topic/3934-interview-with-salvatore-and-neobahamut/

and i know the tournament pretty well, napo and i were in the semi final on baja

green box is me and napo
blue boxes are the teams we beat

I don't post much or care for the endless arguments about what should be what other than Archery changes but being a Orange and or Red is a choice and you should always be prepared for ganks at anytime you leave your house. Just my opinion. Thanks

Back to the original purpose of this thread - If you have any productive changes to better duel arena

Irrelevant. Players should not be limited to play only a certain character in order to use a public duel arena only to be seen in IRC awaiting the firing squad.

Something that would certainly have to go to a poll, however, in this particular scenario, players in the duel are at an extreme disadvantage due to being trapped in the duel only to await certain death upon exiting. To ice the cake, IRC tattled on them for being there dueling. Factioners know who opposing faction characters are so it is easy for them exploit this and obtain an easy, unearned kill.


Anyways, back to the original topic - If anyone has any other productive suggestions to improve the arena, please post here.

For someone who talks so much about real pvp, you try very hard to avoid it.
Real pvp is mean, dirty, and often unfair. It's what you signed up for when you joined factions. Factioners asking for protection from factions is insane. If you can't handle the idea that you might be attacked by oranges while in public places, you should probably just drop out of com.

Honestly, I started reading the first sentence, and the rest just started looking like 'blah blah blah'. Anything productive to add to the conversation about the duel arena (which you don't use to duel)? Or just this random blabbering..

did you make this thread just to dodge the discussion

As much as I'd like to reply to all of you're nonsense comments, it's a difficult task with you guys working in shifts. I have wasted enough time feeding the trolls. The post is primarily aimed at people who actually pvp and use the duel arena (in which I am hard pressed to remember many times you have done either). Like I have already stated, the only reason you are so horny for this thread, is because it jeopardizes one of your loopholes and could potentially lead to less SL point farming.

Seems like anyone who disagrees with you is either rambling about nonsense, not being productive, or suggesting a strange idea that needs to be put to a poll.
I personally don't think that there's any need for productivity here, people who willingly join factions should expect to be attacked by oranges in public places. If you can't handle it, don't join factions. It's that easy.

In fact, you have already arrived at the solution yourself - you pointed out on the first page that all that is needed is to have a blue character for duels. When I pointed that out, you dismissed it as somehow irrelevant.

Solution: Remove factions.

As for IRC I am with you. Have always been against IRC for reason such as publicly naming IDOCs, if a red is someplace, whos doing what and my favorite using multiple IRC names to steal and con me out of 2mill gold sandals. Also I do think it is a bit lame to outright kill someone just getting outta a duel. Thats kinda like res killing but regardless this is UO and Oranges and Reds is a personal choice and when playing them just be prepared to kill or die. Also this is productive, most people have enough gold to make multiple blues to 1v1 with and is kinda silly 1v1ing on a red or orange because of the possibility of getting ganked.