is it good?

cut and paste moderation? really?

His name starts with Bla, as in bla bla bla.

Edit: DAMN! My name also starts with bla! I did spit in my own bowl.

Samorite, reading these forums at 6am before work sounds like a serious self-punishment/road rage hazard

thanks for moving them back

While "240 plat per person in... 2-3 hours? +few k gold" ignores a pretty big piece of the recipe here, I agree that is too much plat distributed among too few players.

I'm in favor of returning to the old system with some tweaks. Restore it to 20 plat per character, but in order to maintain the "total plat cap" of 1000, only 50 characters get plat.

Keeping a lid on the multi-account thing... I just don't think it can be done without IP linking.

or 10 plat to 100 characters, this way even for those that triple box they only get 30 plat so at least 33 people get some plat even if they are ALL triple boxing....that way it is the same cap as if you left your three accounts on all month for "welfare" plat...

... as usual, a drama post with lots of opposing opinions and I don't know who or what to believe.
It's like watching American news. When I'm done I feel like shit the rest of the day and am not exactly sure why.

I admit I know nothing as to how to code, so I genuinely am interested in the answer to my question....would it be hard to keep the system as is NOW but limit the per char plat drop to say 10 or 20 per char, this way there is also a choice of whether to let the system eat the excess plat or invite 50-100 chars to reap the benefits...? I think the only REAL thing people are complaining of is the AMOUNT these players are receiving...regardless who they may be cause in this instance it is not about this group or that...

The discussion thread for this patch was like 10 pages of people not in agreement on what was proposed. And the people in this thread that think 200+ platinum is too much for one person to receive in a sitting aren't SL players. We have been fully capable of benefiting from this the entire time. But I still preferred when harrowers were community events and more players were encouraged to participate. The answer doesn't have to be 1000 plat split 5 ways or 3000 plat split 50 ways. There are more options than that. The system could reward 10 plat per person instead. Or could reward 20 per person up to a max of 1000.

There were a lot of concerns about harrowers being attackable under the server's statloss and pet mechanics. Harrowers have still never been seriously attacked or contested in the history of the server (despite staff saying that was the intention of the patch).

I'm not really concerned with talking about who's trying to discourage who and who hates new players the most or whatever. What is important is what effect this patch has had. Instead of many players receiving a small portion of a chunk of plat, few players are receiving a large portion of it.

I'd like to also remind @Blaise that at one point in time he said he didn't believe a player should receive so much plat in one sitting. Have you flip flopped on this for some reason?

Any time I've thought about the Harrower in the time between the initial discussion and the present one, I'd inevitably come to this conclusion. I had other ideas in the initial discussion but I wish this had been tried.

I did enjoy participating in the old shard-wide Harrowers, I'd have to say. It was fun to see so many people at the same time.

One thing to help break up the whole "________ group is rich because of the harrowers" finger pointing, from my perspective:

I've seen a handful of people constantly try to involve 10-20 active players (not including alt accts with tamers that are usable) to do champs for skulls over a year and only muster up enough skulls to DO a harrower. I've ALSO seen groups casually do champs almost every day and yes, they did do a lot of harrowers. I DO believe that plat is mostly held by a small margin of the server, and those people put so much damn time into doing them that YES, they deserve it.


Having to farm champ spawns costs a lot and has a lot of time-impacting damages. Regs/pets/trash pets/time lost having fun! Retraining a 5-6xgm dragon back up from 45% skills isn't a great hobby of mine!

What if i assembled a crew of 10 people after an hour or so of nagging people, only to come up with a who-got-the-skull debacle? This has happened often and it hurts.
AND HAPPENED A LOT.

End-game UO vs having a great time tackling difficult things with friends on our 7x chars are different things. Both have their ups and downs. It takes a certain level of crazy to knock out hundreds of champs and dozens of harrowers. Those people deserve every dang coin.


If platinum were the only currency i could see how this could be a big ordeal! I'm just glad that there is other forms of currency that people less dedicated and/or fortunate can still thrive on!

As a new player, people discussing their concerns about system balance doesn't discourage me from playing as much as the comments accusing those people of discouraging me.

lemme quote those ones first:

original post can be seen here: http://uorforum.com/threads/request-for-comment-champion-system.11994/

and now:

original post: http://uorforum.com/threads/is-it-good.16649/page-3#post-148893

only? weird place to use the word only cos thats 5x more than what it was.
and... why is that? maybe its cos its 5x more plat now than it used to be.

i love this shard, i respect chris and all staff, i dont wanna discourage anyone and yea im not a beta-tester i joined here at 2014 but guess i care about this shards future more than those dudes.
dudes just made 15mil or 20mil+ worth plat with just

castspell meteor swarm
wait for target
last target
if mana < x
useskill meditation
loop

macro, in a month. i thought it was april fools joke but we are in may and its still the same.

this is and will ruin the shards economy in my opinion and have to change immediately. but who am i, rite?

"When you do things right, people won't be sure that you've done anything at all." -Chris

oh i am sure that u have done some things... and i think this needs to get balanced for shards better will.
we are not the enemy.

wow finally its making sense, why that same group "who was involved" is the biggest source of account abuse on the server today. Interesting... please continue.

As someone who also wants to see this system changed and/or reverted, I think you are hurting our cause with posts like this.

Agreed with Mes on the 10-20 per player, with a cap of 1000 overall. /signed

posts like wut

That could mean, in the worst case scenario, that someone could have made 2.750 platinum in one month. If you all feel this would be ok, I'd have to disagree with you all.

Dedicating myself on the game exclusively to a new player guild, I personally deal with a lot of people joining and leaving the server every week. We do our best to increase player retention on the server. I personally believe that it's for the good of all of us having a server with a lot of people to play on.

And what I can observe from this almost 2-year experience on helping new players is that there's nothing more discouraging game play (it's even worse than griefers and PKs) than to see those mega auctions and mega rich people giving them the idea that they are nowhere to be near them. "Oh man, I'll never be like that. Or it'll take me sick long. Why would I even bother? I'll just stop now.". As for some people it works like an incentive, and inspiration, to the greater majority it's demotivating to say the least.

Do I believe these new players are wrong? Hell, no.
Do I believe the veterans taking advantage of the system are wrong being clever and feisty and creative and awesome? I don't think so too.

So I'm not here pointing fingers to people, but to a system that can be adjusted and fixed. And it seems the majority of people on this thread agrees with it. The ones against it seems to not exist or are merely avoiding the discussion.

And more important, I really have reasons to believe that this affects the server's process of retaining new players, and that's the worse for me. Please just take this into consideration and think about it. Forget groups, forget faction wars, forget guild wars, forget ego wars, forget the clever and creative. Think about player retention. Donating, freesists, events are the easiest part, believe me. Let's think of the best for the server: player base and retention.